#29: Zoe's In Italy!
Zoe calls in from Italy while Heather holds down the Toronto studio. They catch up on solo travel, mental health abroad, and navigating sobriety in new places—plus a candid chat about singer Lola Young's on-stage collapse and the pressures of addiction in the spotlight.
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Zoe's In Italy! Transcript
Heather: [00:00:00] Ah. Oh, do I look like I'm in a jungle? Yeah. I, when I saw you, I said, oh, she's in the Amazon. Don't catch, don't get Zika.
Oh, also welcome back to Girl Undrunk. Obviously you see there's something strange going on here. I'm here in Toronto in our studio, and Zoe, where are you buddy? I'm in P
Zoe: de. So gl. That was hot, Zoe. That might be right. How's your
Heather: Italian? Mm, not so good. Not the, not the So good, not the so good. Um, do you know how to say help me or bathroom [00:01:00] or Beo is bathroom
Zoe: perfect?
Don't know. Help me. I just would scream. Actually, there was a guy today on the beach that was like. Going to touch me. He was like wearing an all pink outfit. Probably was drunk. Okay. Or like if he wasn't drunk, he was just like very disabled. I'm not too sure what was going on. Okay. Something was happening, but he looked a little bit scary and he just was like.
Trying to do that to me. And then, then I had to like, I dodged him. I was like, no, you slipped. I, yeah, I did the slip. Yeah. For boxing. The boxing's really coming in handy here. I just slip away the Italian men,
Heather: oh, I got ba in the head by Rachel the other day. Our coaching, our coaching, our boxing coach. 'cause I'm learning the slips, but I'm, I'm learning it.
And then she ba right. And I was like, I'm so sorry. I also got hit. I was at the park the other day and I got hit with a Frisbee. The guy was like, heads up and it hit me in the ankle and I was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. Like [00:02:00] I was just in the way of your game. Like I wasn't, but I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
Damn. Oh, I
Zoe: miss you. How are you? I miss you too. It's so nice here. Is it so
Heather: nice? Are you having the best time? It's really nice.
Zoe: I, yeah. Tell me about,
Heather: tell me about your little solo adventure that you're, that you took yesterday.
Zoe: So, yeah, f Well, for a few days Francesca's been in class, so I had to do some traveling by myself.
Yesterday I went to Venice by myself. She dropped me off at the train, and then it was only a 45 minute train to Venice.
Heather: Was it easy, the train, just honestly, it was
Zoe: very easy. You would've been able to do it. You know what you can't do here, or like you would hate the driving. It's scary. Absolutely insane.
Yeah, it is insane. Yeah, it's totally insane. Insane.
Heather: I wouldn't rent a car. It's totally
Zoe: insane. Going in and out of weaving the traffic. I'm like, Heather, one could never, and
Heather: two. Okay, first of all, that's [00:03:00] actually so mean. 'cause you've seen me do a lot of maneuvering. Honestly. You have been getting
Zoe: better, actually.
You have been getting better at the weaving. But the, no, the people here are just crazy with it. Yeah. I, I got scared in a safe car with Francesca. Um, yeah.
Heather: Yeah, it's, it's intense. I don't really get like where that came from. Like how did one country go like, you know what, we're gonna have rules and another country go, no, it's fine.
It's collateral. It's literally fine. We got places to go maybe because there's
Zoe: only one lane for most of the driving, so you have to like weave in and out to like get anywhere fast because there's lots of slow people. So you, if you wanna go, you have to weave around.
Heather: It just feels like it was, that was clearly not created by a woman.
So definitely. What are we doing? Well, I, I was, yesterday I accidentally walked into a conversation of like four 50-year-old men and they were complain. Where were you? At the park. And they were complaining, uh, they were complaining about the [00:04:00] speed camera down on Parkside. Yeah. And like I'm listening to this conversation about, I'm like, this is what you guys do.
Like you just are retired and you come to the park and you complain. Mm-hmm. But at some point I was just like. Wait, what's the problem with driving the speed limit? And they're like, oh well, you know, it's like a long stretch and it's like forties crazy. And I'm like, yeah. I literally said, I was like, oh, as a woman, like this doesn't concern me.
Like I just drive the speed limit. 'cause I'm conscious and empathetic. But yeah, have a nice day. I mean, we did get pulled over by the police in Italy. You did?
Zoe: Yeah. For speeding. I don't even know. I think so, but then they just like, let us go. 'cause I guess we were like pretty girls. Yeah. She just like, I think they told her to renew something like, um, not the license plate, but maybe the insurance needs to be updated or printed out again.
Um, but yeah, I got pretty scared when they pulled us over, but then they were like chatting and [00:05:00] Italian. They were being so nice. Like the, you can tell if it's like, uh, dramatic. Harsh conversation. Yeah. Or if it's like uplifting and nice and I was like, oh, they seem so nice. And she was like, yeah. She was
Heather: like, and they just cheers their AOL spritzes and you are on your way.
Zoe: Exactly. What did you, what did you just say? I did have a little non-alcoholic AOL spritz yesterday. What was it called?
Heather: It's called Gino
Zoe: Ginger. No.
Heather: Hi, Francesca.
Zoe: Stop. She brought me the charger so my laptop doesn't die. Gino. Yeah. No, it was so good. I actually have a photo. I might post it on the Girl Undrunk.
Okay. I wanted, I don't like Apple. They brought it over. I was like, oh, this looks exactly like AOL spurts. I got a little bit nervous.
Heather: Yeah. Did you say like, is this non-alcoholic guy?
Zoe: Well, I was too late. The server ran away and then I was like, Francesca, I don't know, like what is this? You need to tell me what it's, and then she googled it for me and then I was like, okay, that's, that's perfect.
Heather: Yeah. Yeah. You know, I just don't wanna get trapped like that. That was
Zoe: fine. No, I just need to like [00:06:00] have some reassurance sometimes, especially 'cause I can't read
Heather: anything. But no one's judged you for drinking non-alcoholic things.
Zoe: Well, she like asked at the nice restaurant we were at last night, um, do you have any non-alcoholic options?
Or something like that. And he was just like, no, no, no.
Heather: Oh, okay,
Zoe: fine. I was like
Heather: that. That makes sense. So what are the alcoholic Italians doing? Like what are they doing? Are they just drinking Coca-Cola or like water, bubbly water
Zoe: probably. Or like that, that Gino thing was really
Heather: good. Um, yeah, probably, probably lots of coffee.
Probably lots of coffee. I wonder what the like non-alcoholic market is like out there. Yeah.
Zoe: Francesca said that there's not a lot of non-alcoholic wine or beer options that she's ever seen here. Mm-hmm. So it's probably just like not really a thing to be honest. Um, yeah, they definitely drink a lot of coffee though.
Like in the morning we'll have a coffee in the afternoon. We'll have a coffee after dinner, we'll have a coffee, a [00:07:00] decaf, just coffee all day long.
Heather: I love that. I love coffee all day. Mm-hmm. Um. The coffee cigarette. Okay. You posted something on TikTok and it got taken down that like you're, you're in Italy, so your breakfast is now coffee and a cigarette, really?
Or espresso in a cigarette. It
Zoe: got like flagged so it didn't get any views. And then I think. Alani just took it down. 'cause she was like, yeah, I don't know. I guess you can't
Heather: show smoking even though this like entire world is like capitalizing off of vaping. And I don't know if you're allowed to show vaping either You can drink, like you can show drinking, but that's not, yeah, it's weird.
I mean that's like, also I feel like people are kind of doing their best with like. Like make like inclusion and acceptance and like being, what's the word? Like sensitive. Mm-hmm. Like, instead of saying like, sexual assault, they say like, SHM Malt. And I'm like, is that better? Yeah. Who's that better for?
Like Well, it's just so that they don't get [00:08:00] flagged from TikTok. I know, but what it, I really do wanna know, like what the thought process is behind changing all these words, like Yeah. I, I, I, this might get flagged, but saying rape instead of rape. I'm like, yeah, hold on. This is a real serious crime that happens to people.
We're not just saying like, he was murdered. Like, that's insane. Yeah. Like they schmick his throat. No, I've never
Zoe: thought about it like that. No, but that's so true. Like everyone knows what we're saying. We may as well just fucking say it like, yeah. It's weird to I, and I don't think that send it anymore.
Heather: Yeah, and obviously like we all have our own personal opinions and like as someone who's like been assaulted, like a lot of women, for me personally, I'm like, when you say grape or shme, scholt, I'm like, sorry, why are we desensitizing the thing that happened to me? Why are we desensitizing? What happens to women?
Because then when they go. Like when they tell a cop, it's like, well, are you sure? Because like we've all heard this word going [00:09:00] around, it's like gaslighting. I'm like, no, it's not like gaslighting. Actually, it's a crime. But I digress. Yeah,
Zoe: I guess like they just don't want us to talk about it online and we find other ways to talk about it, which, yeah, you should just let us talk about what we wanna say and Yeah.
We have like opinions for a reason, I don't know. Yeah.
Heather: And
Zoe: smoking. Helps. Well, and it's weird because people get off
Heather: alcohol.
Zoe: Yeah, I smoke. I don't drink. But you can drink all you want online. Like Alex Earl's downing shots. Every video. Yeah. Yeah. Oh know. And I can't have one cigarette on, on TikTok. I
Heather: should have had a wellness shot before we started.
I'm feeling a little. Like
Zoe: that a little. You know what, I just snapped in the car. That's nice. I've been napping in the car even though it's stick shift and we're like bump, like we're going back and forth. I'm that tired that I've been like passing out in the car every time we're in the car. I need to sleep like a
Heather: baby.
Zoe: Maybe it does help me sleep. 'cause it's like a rocking motion. [00:10:00]
Heather: Yeah. Maybe.
Zoe: Maybe. And
Heather: you're always, you're always just on the public transit and you can't sleep there or. Exactly. And I have been waking up
Zoe: like pretty early here 'cause we have like such a busy schedule.
Heather: Is she a early riser? You're a roommate?
Zoe: Yeah, she's a pretty early ri Well she woke up at six today to go to the gym. I did not go to the gym today with her.
Heather: Let's talk about fitness addiction.
Zoe: Yeah,
Heather: man, that's, that's a routine. Okay. How is your mental health.
Zoe: Oh yeah, my mental health, well, mental health feel like, of course my mental health set like a 10 outta 10 right now.
I'm in Italy. What can I complain about?
Heather: Nothing.
Zoe: Nothing at all. I
Heather: thought you can't have any complaints in Italy.
Zoe: Literally. It's so nice here. I can't, I think I need to be back here like every other year. I'm gonna come and visit her. It's just, it's so nice. Yeah. I will come too. I wanna, I love Italy. It's amazing.
Heather: It's. Where in the [00:11:00] world. I was having this thought in my head the other day, where in the world do you think you're your best self?
Zoe: What an interesting question. I know.
Heather: I was just thinking about it.
Zoe: Probably by the beach somewhere.
Heather: Yeah, I was gonna say next. You somewhere near water.
Zoe: Somewhere near, even though you won't go in it,
Heather: I will.
No, I don't need to go in it. I just like to be around it. What do you want be by the
Zoe: pool?
Heather: Um, yeah, but like, depending on like the, like I'm not my best self at your pool. Like I, you know, I'm not my best self at my dad's pool, but I feel like. When I went to Italy with my sister in 2019, yeah. I was probably my best self really, but I was still drinking.
Yeah. Yeah. Like we had the best time. We didn't fight. We like got along so well. I was like, this is the best. But I was drinking and then the last time we went, which was last October. Mm-hmm. I was like, only what? Like two and a half years? So no, a year and a half sober. So no. Like a year. Yeah. Yeah. So I, at first it was [00:12:00] okay, but I was like, I was kind of.
Moody, I would say. Yeah. And I was like a brat and I started a fight like just, and I think also like go, you remember
Zoe: you FaceTimed me that night or you were like texting me a lot? Oh yeah, probably. Yeah. I was
Heather: pissed. But also I think like going on a big trip and the last time I was there I was drinking a lot.
And so just like being there again with all of these people around you drinking and like, I don't even know if I like wanted to drink, but I was just getting like irritated. Yeah. But I think that. I think I could do it again, but Karen said, my sister said that next time we go on a trip, we have to bring friends because we can't spend that much time together.
And I'm like, great, Zoe, let's go. Perfect. Did you go back to the same spot as you did when you were drinking in Italy? No. Or was it different? Okay. It was different, but like same vibe, you know? Same vibe. Yeah. Same vibe. Yeah.
Zoe: Yeah.
Heather: When do you, and you go to Portugal tomorrow.
Zoe: I go to Portugal tomorrow. I need to check into my flight.
I should have done that before I jumped on this call, [00:13:00] but that's okay. It's okay. Um, quick flight. Yeah. My mental health is, um, like I feel I have no care in the world. I'm just been galloping around Italy and it's been So do you feel like you have a lot of
Heather: energy?
Zoe: I mean, I feel like I'm still a little bit tired, like in the car.
Like I'm always napping, but I feel, I feel good. I feel, yeah, that's good. Just like at peace. I'm probably tired just because it's so peaceful here.
Heather: Yeah. What do they do? What do they do? Their midday naps, what do they called? Well, all like
Zoe: the stores and the restaurants close at two 30 and reopen again at five four.
What's it called? What is the nap time?
Heather: I'm, I'm asking Chacha today.
Zoe: I don't, I would ask Francesca if they nap and they were like, and she said no. They usually just like chill and have like a break. Doesn't necessarily mean that they nap. Sure, sure.
Heather: You're not like forced by the government to close your little eyes.
Yeah. Arianne, do you know the word? Mm-hmm. [00:14:00] Anne's here. Siesta. Siesta. Thank you. Anne Siesta. Did you hear her? She's in my ears.
Zoe: I heard her too.
Heather: Okay. So cute. Um. My mental health is fine. Actually, I was, yeah. How it back in Toronto. It's good. It's um, the weather is really nice. Nice. It's like really confusing.
It's like freezing in the morning and then it's so hot, so it's like mm-hmm. Soaking in those last, I can feel it leaving. Mm-hmm. I'm just trying to keep it, but my mental health is good. I got microneedling two days ago. Yes. And that it's like, not necessarily mental health, but it is self-care, so that counts.
But honestly, like I am a little red. Also this shirt is like scratchy a little bit, but a little bit
Zoe: irritating on it.
Heather: But I look good. I did. I did my face, my neck, my chest, and my hands did it all. Baby. I did it all. And I just, I wanna be, I just wanna be young and fresh, but I'm not wearing makeup right now.
I'm just really tight. But I have a tinted sunscreen [00:15:00] on. Yeah, that's really fun. Microneedling. I just made a TikTok about it. It's, I can't wait to see fun. It did hurt though, like I needed, it didn't hurt that bad, but then when I did my chest, my chest was like, the numbing had worn off, so I was like. It's just kind of like a tattoo.
If you've gotten like a tattoo and anything filled in, it's like going over the same spot and I'm like, I'm a human being.
Zoe: Like, it's honestly like the sound is worse than the feeling. I feel. You know, the sound like the buzzing sound. Yeah. Just seems like it's gonna be so much worse than it actually is.
Yeah. Um.
Heather: But it's good. It's really fun.
Zoe: Soundless. If it was soundless, maybe it would hurt less psychologically, you know?
Heather: Yeah. Maybe also, if it were like a predominantly like male procedure, it would hurt feel, you'd feel nothing. You'd be like fully injected with lidocaine and you would just be, and then you'd take a nap for seven days and wake up like a baby.
Zoe: I mean, I feel like there's lots of men who do micro kneeling for acne scars. Yeah, but you probably at like 25. Percent [00:16:00] men for micro kneeling.
Heather: Yeah, but they're not, they're just not like out about their beauty treatments, you know, need to be No, I want them to be though. I know they need to be. They really be.
Men's skin is important too. But apparently men age better because they shave their face and so it's like exfoliating.
Zoe: Yeah, I heard that too. Which is, should we just, well, I guess we derma plane our face.
Heather: Yeah, we derma plane our face. I do shave my chin every day. What are we gonna do about that? Um. But yeah, my mental health is good.
I feel I was, I had therapy yesterday and my therapist was like, you seem lighter. Like you seem like you're in a better mood. I'm like, yeah, honestly, mayor, I can't tell if this is like happy or if this is mania, but I do feel good. So I don't know. I feel like. I, I had two meetings yesterday that went really, really well.
I'm excited about that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited for you to come back, like things are fucking moving. It's cool. Yeah. I felt really professional [00:17:00] yesterday and I just feel like, yeah, I think confident things are okay. Things are okay. Yeah, I'm kind of ready for like this next chapter and like whatever it brings me, which I think is just gonna be very podcast focused.
Mm-hmm. But I'm excited about that. You know me, I will say, I will say that like sitting in sad feelings is like not the vibe. It's sucks. Like I really have just been like getting up and getting out of the house and like staying at the park really late and like, well, really late, like seven. Yeah. I've just been, and I've been doing stuff and it's nice and it is really true.
You gotta get up and get out.
Zoe: Yeah, we, you didn't feel sadness before. You know, like feeling sadness is such like a luxury. I like to say like, before I never felt sad, like I didn't feel anything like feeling these feelings and actually like processing emotions.
Heather: That's a luxury to me. It is a luxury.
You're right. It is. Because before I would've just been drinking the [00:18:00] whole time. Yeah. And then probably like texting him and being like, wait, great. I love you. But like not feeling like, you know, it just wouldn't be real. Yeah. And no, just upsetting. Yeah, that was the life I was living in before I'm like, anything I ever said to anyone was just drunk, and so like I never meant anything I said, or I really did, but I said it in the wrong time.
Yeah, I feel like you're right. Processing these emotions, it is a luxury and I'm doing a pretty good job, so Yeah, like I'm proud of myself for that, you know?
Zoe: Heck yeah. No, you seem good. You feel solid and. Thought you would be missing me more. I do miss you actually. Like no,
Heather: I do miss you. Like it is so funny how much, how much of my life you're a part of and when you're not here I'm like, oh, like there's a full missing piece in my life.
Like everything I do, I like wake up, I'm like, did Zoe text me? And then I'm like, let's talk about Instagram and then like podcast. And then I'm obviously at the clinic. It's so fun. Boxing. I'm boxing. Without you, [00:19:00] I know you're gonna gonna be so strong when I'm back. Fuck. Yes. Yeah. Amazing. Okay, so you brought this up to me, but mm-hmm.
When did this happen? It was a few days ago. I think it was like earlier in the week. Do you like Lo won? Have you like listened
Zoe: to her music? Well,
Heather: now that I know who she is, like yeah. Yes, I know, like, yeah, I do know her music, but I, when you said it to me, I was like, who is that? Right. But I guess she's just not, you know,
Zoe: the music, you didn't know what her name was.
Heather: No. Right.
Zoe: No. Yeah,
Heather: but she sing. And I'm too messy. I'm too messy. I'm too fucking clean.
I really like those Brits. I really like British. Yeah, musicians. They're just so I do too. Cool. They are really cool.
Zoe: They seem like, just like they got. A different vibe that like, I feel, I watch they do
Heather: well and they're heroes. They're like music history over there. Mm-hmm. Is just mm-hmm. The Amy [00:20:00] Winehouse, I mean, queen, all of it.
The Beaties, all of 'em. But mm-hmm. I, um, we did see a few days ago she was at, what is it called? I just had it here.
Zoe: I don't know what, where she was performing. I just know that she had fallen
Heather: down. I'll tell you right now. Oh. She was at the All Things Go Music Festival in Queens, New York. Oh, okay. Um, on September 27th.
And she, she's performing on stage. I've seen the video, I'm sure it's still up on TikTok, but she's performing on stage and she kind of looks to whoever's in front of her and like she's mouthing, like, I'm gonna pass out or I'm gonna faint. Mm-hmm. And she honestly looks fine. Like she doesn't look. Does look fine.
Yeah. Yeah. So like to have the like mental awareness of like. Into, I mean, I'm like that when I'm like, I'm okay right now. I'm gonna go throw up and I'll be right back. But she just, yeah, she must
Zoe: like know her body a lot and like this has obviously been happening a lot for her to know her body that well,
Heather: you know?
Yeah. But she looks over at whoever's side [00:21:00] stage and she's like, I'm gonna faint, and then she drops her mic and just crashes on our back to the ground. Mm-hmm. That was kind of rough to watch, to be honest with you.
Zoe: Like it was for me too. Like I don't usually watch stuff like that. Like
Heather: yeah,
Zoe: when the Charlie got shot, I didn't watch it.
Like I don't You didn't? No. Oh, I didn't, I didn't. I don't incent it to everyone. I don't like watch shit like that. Like when people get injured in football. I don't like to watch the replays. I don't wanna see anything. Like that, it gets me grossed out. Yeah. But I didn't know it was gonna happen, so I was just like watching like, oh, cool, Lola scrolling, TikTok.
And then I saw her pass out. I was like, oh, I did not expect to see that. Holy shit.
Heather: Yeah. I don't really know what that passing out is like, I guess when you're, and, and she never, she didn't outright say like, today I'm on drugs. But yeah, she has spent time in rehab before in 2024 for cocaine use. She also, during her set.
She said [00:22:00] something like, I've had a tricky couple of days. Sometimes life can really make you feel like you can't continue. Mm-hmm. But you know what? Today I woke up and I made the decision to come here, and I want it to be cool. And sometimes life can throw you lemons and you just gotta make lemonade.
And reading that, I do feel like the thing of like I wanted to be cool is so me and being like, no, no. So relatable. So relatable because mm-hmm. To me, that kind of feels like. I, I just, I didn't wanna be a problem. I didn't wanna be a problem for everybody. I wanted it to be fine. I wanted to be cool like everybody else.
I just wanted to make it work. Of course, now you're like really putting your health, not even just mental health, but your full health in danger and I get that.
Zoe: Yeah. Where did she say that? Did she say that on Instagram or? No. Well, she said that on stage. On stage, okay. Yeah. Earlier in her set. Yeah. I mean like, and being a performer and she did [00:23:00] get famous, right?
So quick. Yeah. Like the rise was really quick. I don't know if she'd been singing for a while before that, but to be that popular all of a sudden, and then to think that you like all these fans so much to, yeah. Sacrifice your mental and physical health for your fans. It's like, yeah, fans can be crazy and be like.
I can't believe you canceled the show, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Like, and that's just where humanity sucks. And you should always be putting the person ahead of a show, you know, for three hours.
Heather: Yeah, I know. It's, I
Zoe: think you always need to put yourself first. And as a new singer, I'm sure that's like really difficult.
Heather: I wonder. What the, what the majority of the feedback is. 'cause you're right, people will be pissed. Yeah, of course. Like if you're buying, if you're buying a plane ticket or you're driving or you're whatever, you're buying tickets to this show. Yeah. And she did say, she was like, you'll obviously be refunded.
Like, I don't know if that usually happens for concerts. Like I, I'm not sure how [00:24:00] it works, but like the way saying like you'll obviously be refunded is almost like. She knows people are mad at her. Like, you'll obviously be offended before anything happens before I even take care of myself. Mm-hmm. Like, I wanna let you know that your money is fine.
Yeah. Like, it seems defensive
Zoe: too. It's like, don't worry. I'm like, def Yeah. It feels defensive and it seems like she obviously is feeling really bad if she's being like that, you know? Yeah. Uh, but I don't know, like I was supposed to go to a concert when COVID happened and then it got canceled and I never got my money back.
I wanted to say it was the neighborhood, but I really don't think it was the neighborhood.
Heather: I wonder if there's like, I, if there's different, well, 'cause you know how some like flights are like this. Like if a flight is canceled because of weather. Yeah. Then you don't get your money back because it's like God or something like God it's a God insurance or something weird.
Like they don't, it's like natural, natural [00:25:00] occurrences. I don't know why I said God.
Zoe: I know that was funny. I liked it though. I don't, I don't even know was God's
Heather: fault. Yeah. I'm like, does God control the weather?
Zoe: Yeah. Yeah. I guess in your brain and your God controls the weather and I think that's fine.
Heather: Yeah. In my brain, whatever God is out there is just like doing daily tasks. Weather, nature, your God is Mother Nature. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of true I think. Yeah, there. Yeah. Okay. Well then in that case, God's a woman.
Zoe: My God is a woman. My God is just like everything. Yeah. Spiritualness. Sobriety.
Sobriety. My God is a witch. Well,
Heather: it is. October. We do have to talk about spooky, sober and spooky season. Yeah. I need to point out right now that I have the lime one. Oh, see, I'm really jealous because I don't have any fun drinks. I have fun drinks. I like the lime one. This is the ridge, right? No. Yeah. Is it?
I feel like I'd [00:26:00] like a lime anything. Yeah. Yeah, I do too. It's just like refreshing, jealous, and easy. Yeah. Oh yeah. Just so everyone, this is sap sucker, the lime one. So good.
Zoe: So
Heather: good.
Zoe: I like how they have like the lime one, the lemon one. It's just like so easy. You kind of like, it's cool. It's just this one.
It's fine. Like it, like it. Okay. Um, maybe I'll get Francesca to bring me a Coca-Cola. Francesca, I'm ready for my Coca-Cola. Bring me my co The cat
Heather: is just like looking at me and will not come up and hang out. Well, well, maybe you have to speak to it in Italian. It's an Italian cat. Um, I think it's really cute that like chow babies and animals speak different languages.
Yes. Like the fact that there are babies around there and they're speaking Italian is like so cute to me. And I also like, duh. But I love that. That's true. I love that. [00:27:00] Um, so a day before the, what's it called, anything goes? Is that what it's called? All things go. All things go a day. Before she had pulled out, she had canceled her performance.
Her manager had like. Pulled her out and like, said that like she is just not a good time for her. Like she just, um, due to a sensitive matter. Mm. Which is like just the day before and then you're going to perform the next day and you're like, I didn't wanna go but I wanted to be cool. I wanted to this to work.
And it's like, who is behind the scenes? Right. We talk about this all the time. You pulled her from her concert the night before. Yeah. For a sensitive matter. And then she's just. Okay to go back on. Mm-hmm.
Zoe: I had hangovers and like sprees of like a week where I felt like complete shit and was the cats just
Heather: jumped up there.
Oh my God. This is, [00:28:00] do that literally from the ground up there. My cat, maybe the cat is sober. Hi. Oh. The cat is definitely is over. Say hi. Hi. Oh. Oh God. Hi.
Excuse me ma'am, do you have anything to contribute? Oh God. Okay. Sorry,
Zoe: what were we talking about? Um, no, so my hangovers would take weeks sometimes and I think like they were just like hoping that. Whatever was going on with her was just gonna be a quick turnaround. But no, that's not how addiction works.
We are our rock bottom and like our hangover. Or what if she was doing drugs? Yeah. Uh, like the come down is a lot longer than 24 hours for the most part.
Heather: And that's the thing, right? If that's what it was. Assuming. So it's like in order [00:29:00] for Lola to be able to. Perform the next day. She took the day, she took the day off before in order for her to perform.
What the fuck do you think she's gonna have to do? Mm-hmm. To get on stage, to get out of bed, to get herself there, to warm up, to put on makeup and clothes. What do we think she's gonna have to do? Like, she's not better just because she took the day off yesterday.
Zoe: And yeah, it takes a lot more to recover than just 24 hours for a lot of the time.
If you are.
Heather: Yeah, and also like recover. Yeah. There's no recover. Like she's going to take more substances because she's in it. I don't know. Sometimes I feel like. I wonder like, are they mad at her? Like if, if someone is an artist and they're like doing drugs and they're fucking up and, and fucking up respectfully, obviously.
Mm, but in their eyes are they like, oh my God, this is bullshit. Just get on stage. Like, we booked you, you have to do this, you have to handle it. But I kind of feel like [00:30:00] maybe they need to reassess, like people who, who like artists and stuff, like there's probably going to be. Drugs involved. Drugs and alcohol and partying and bad behavior.
That's just like kind of part of it. And they're not bad people, it's just the industry. So I'm kind of like, I feel like you need to reset your expectations a little bit.
Zoe: I don't know. Well, I think it comes back to like they want to get the most amount of money out of these people. Like they're only employed because this person goes on stage.
I'm sure she's.
I am sure she wants to go on stage for not only the fans, but for the people that she employs as well. So it's like a tough battle. That doesn't mean her employees are bad people, but it's just like a hard line of like, can she go up there? Yeah. But like, no, you, we need to, it's 2025. Yeah. If people are struggling, they cannot go [00:31:00] on stage.
Heather: No.
Zoe: Period. Like, yeah, they'll be able to make money after the fact, hopefully. But we'll talk about that too, because she is a woman and people don't, yeah.
Heather: And I do wonder, right. That's one of my questions, like, what do we think this is gonna do to her career? I, I mean, and I, I would never wanna say anything like, oh, it's gonna, she might be fine.
Like, she's a very talented girl, but, and she is young, I think, right? She's 24 years old. She's a child. She's a child. Going back to like wanting to be there for her fans, wanting to mm-hmm. Work in order for everyone who works for her to make money. Mm-hmm. That's a fuck ton of pressure on a 24-year-old woman, and she's so young, you don't understand, like, you don't under, I don't understand.
No one really understands the, the butterfly effect of like what you do and what you're. What you're allowed to say, how you're allowed to stand up for yourself at [00:32:00] 24. Yeah. I'm assuming she's just thinking like, oh, I fucked up. Mm-hmm. Everyone's gonna hate me and like, now I have to go to rehab.
Zoe: Assuming, I mean, I think that since we are becoming more accepting as a society, I think that like if she heals properly in rehab and she comes back, it could be like a really cool like story for her and yeah.
Platform to show sobriety and to show addiction. I think it's like a real opportunity for her. But, um, we know I cannot with
Heather: this cat what
Zoe: is going on today. He's literally just doing laps like around the balcony. He's obviously. Hopefully like she can get sober and she can get healthy so that she can be that support.
Yeah. Um, I obviously think that she probably feels a lot of shame and guilt right now, but like she's doing the best thing for herself right now. She totally, she needs [00:33:00] this,
Heather: you know what I was thinking? I wonder she probably should go to rehab. Um. Everyone should go to rehab. Rehab's literally the best thing in the world.
So go. But um, I agree still. I
cat
look at what you, meanwhile, I'm so worried that Anne's gonna get mad at me because Nike's here.
Did you see that happen? Maryanne? If anything, this will be very funny to clip.
Zoe: Oh no. I didn't even know that I was dirty.
Heather: Yeah, everywhere. Oh, oh my God. Is there dirt just all down your shirt right now?
Zoe: I think so.
Heather: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so that was a little bit
Zoe: chaotic. This is chaos,
Heather: but this is Italy.
What are we expecting
Zoe: everyone? I think the cat [00:34:00] was just too, too wild up. Yeah, I think I was like giving him too much entertainment because I was like laughing at him and he kept going. He liked
Heather: it. He liked, he liked, he likes to be, he likes to be charismatic. Um, Lola Young, I think she will probably be bringing herself to rehab.
Yeah. I wonder. Well, she said, what did she say on her story? She said, so something like, yeah. She said she'll be, I'll be going away for a bit. Yeah. And I'll be back when I'm like, better, whatever. Um, and like, I'm sorry to my fans and everything. Yeah. But I think, um, I don't know. This is one of those things where it's like, ah, is she ready to go to rehab or did she just fall down on stage?
You know, like, I know I, I, I mean. She can, she might, she might go to rehab and be like, this is amazing love sobriety, and go right back into her job. But it, it, it is one of those things that we're seeing often where people, and again, after watching the Charlie Sheen interview or the [00:35:00] doc just going like, in and out, in and out, in and out, and I'm like, yeah, she's a young girl who wants to keep her music career going.
Mm-hmm. Well, you think. She was, she's gonna wanna stay 30 days in a rehab. And I think about that now with all celebrities. I'm like, oh, why didn't they just stay the full 60 days or three months, or even 30 days? They like leave at 25 days. But I'm like, right because. They have stuff to
Zoe: like get back to.
Yeah,
Heather: and, and I wonder like in Hollywood and stuff like that, or in the music world, it's like if you're out for 30 days, like there's a new Sabrina Carpenter coming around the corner, like you are so fucking replaceable that like, I don't know if you feel like you can stay a whole 30 days, mind you, if you don't.
You're probably gonna relapse. Like a big part of rehab is like sticking out those days. Right. And like actually putting your life on pause and separating your life from your mental health and being like, okay, we gotta take care of number one before we can take care of [00:36:00] everyone else. Yeah. You know? Well, I think you,
Zoe: she can't be thinking like, oh, I'm just gonna be replaced.
If she thought of it like that, then she would never heal in rehab, you know? Mm-hmm. If she actually heals properly in rehab and comes back and doesn't do and like actually is better, then her fans will stick around like totally. She's an amazing artist and people like really love her and love her whole vibe, not just her music, like love who she is as a person.
She's hilarious. Yeah, so I think that. If she has that mindset and if anyone like has the mindset of like, oh, I'm gonna be replaced at my job, I'm gonna be replaced in my relationship if I go to do this thing, then that's like your, you can't have that mindset 'cause you'll never be better in rehab if you have that mindset.
Heather: No. When you go to rehab. It really, and of course it's gonna be different for everybody. Like when I went into rehab, I didn't even have a job. Like, you know, I had nothing to lose at that point. But a lot of people do and I. [00:37:00] But I, I, I do think you have to just let, like, let them Yeah. Like really just give in and like Yeah.
Give in to the
Zoe: experience, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think like, I had nothing to lose either. I had no boyfriend, I had no job either. I had like almost no friends or family, like mm-hmm. I just, yeah, you really just have to like give in to what they tell you and act like a baby and then like you'll actually love it.
Like just be baby for a month,
Heather: please just be baby. And, and then, and then also, I don't know, what if it does happen? Like what if you do lose your job? What if you do lose your relationship then it wasn't meant to be
Zoe: because yeah. If you're gonna lose a job because you go to rehab, then like, fuck that. You don't want that job.
Like you don't want that relationship if he's gonna cheat on you in rehab. That'd be crazy. That would be insane. Oh, would it be crazy? I mean, if
Heather: you're going to rehab, you probably have already [00:38:00] cheated on him. I mean, I kind of think, okay, hold on. I'm gonna say something and I might believe it and I might not.
Mm. Yeah, I do. If someone goes to rehab, like your partner goes to rehab, depending on what that situation is, it would make sense to me that the person that's at home cheats. Like I,
Zoe: I'm just, it depends on like what the relationship is. Like if it's like a toxic relationship, maybe. But if it's like a marriage and like the wife is just like having like a little slip.
Like was hiding it and their marriage is good for the most part. She just like has this huge, massive secret that she's been keeping.
Heather: Yeah, sure. Okay. If it's like, not if it's just like, oops, she's drinking too much, let's send her to rehab. But I'm assuming usually in relationships when one person is like, have has like a substance use problem.
It's not, the relationship is not great. Yeah. I just don't think it can be. I, I, [00:39:00] there's
Zoe: other, yeah, but if your significant other is going to rehab, then yeah, the partner at home should be like, so happy that they're going and like, not cheat on her.
Heather: No, no, no. And I think, like, I wouldn't say, yeah, if your partner goes to rehab, go out and cheat.
I'm just saying, I get why it would happen because. This whole big thing. You know, drugs, especially if it's drugs are so polarizing to everyone's families and you just went through this big thing and now your partner's in rehab and that's really stressful. Rehab is like a lot for people who've never been to rehab or don't know anyone who's been to rehab.
Yeah. And so you're kind of traumatized too in some cases. And then if, I don't know if I'm like, you're gone for 30, 60, 90 days and I. I'm like pretty mad at you like you've been doing drugs around our baby. Like, yeah, I, I see how it could happen. You can call
Zoe: each other
Heather: though. Not everywhere. Not everywhere.
I, I'm not saying go out and cheat, I'm just saying that if
Zoe: it has happened, I don't understand. I [00:40:00] put my mind into it as well. I, I think I can only see it happening if it's like a very toxic relationship where like they're both fucking each other up. I think if like the other one wasn't fucking up at all and then.
The significant other goes to rehab, then I Why would she, why would they cheat? They, I would be really happy if. My significant other finally chose to go to rehab.
Heather: I dunno if everyone is super happy when they're, when they're part has go. 'cause you think that rehab is like, so, like, looked below upon? Yeah, I think so.
I mean, obviously not for me. I literally love rehab. Yeah. I'll go again if I want to, but, um, yeah, I think it, it was, I mean, it was very hard for me to tell people I was going to rehab. I didn't know anyone who'd gone to rehab. Yeah. So it did feel very big and scary. Mm-hmm. I, I mean, I know people, I was in rehab with people whose spouses were like, pretty pissed off at them.
Still, like pretty, like she's in rehab and like, you know. Yeah. They're [00:41:00] happy that of course people are happy that you go and, but I don't know. I just, I think that the person at home, I, I wonder what it's like to be them. Yeah. It's interesting 'cause
Zoe: yeah, if you could be in rehab and having a whole rehab relationship and then the person
Heather: at home
Zoe: doesn't,
Heather: you know?
Yeah. It's so scary. It's so scary. Like being in a relationship with someone who has an addiction is just so like touch and go all the time. You're like, where are you? What have you done? What have you lied about? I guess we're just starting fresh. Like, yeah. Hello. I actually
Zoe: had a dream that my boyfriend relapsed in Portugal like two days ago.
Heather: Oh, that's a shit dream. Did you wake up in there and like. Immediately go. Okay, nevermind. It's fine.
Zoe: Yeah. Kind of. So stressful. So stressful. And I woke up at like 6:00 AM so like, and then I just went back to bed. But that was not,
Heather: hopefully, that's not like a sign. I don't think it's a sign. It's just like a, it's probably just like a a, it's a nervous thing.
It's a stress thing. 'cause you're That's true. You're handling your addiction over [00:42:00] there. There's like alcohol spritzes around. Even if you're not like, super affected, it's still on your mind.
Zoe: Yeah.
Heather: He's coming now. That's two of you who have to handle your addiction. It's a lot, you know?
Zoe: Yeah. It's also the first time you guys have traveled together.
Worried. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully
Heather: he's
Zoe: Okay. Cool.
Heather: He's gonna be great. Don't realize he's gonna be so, he's gonna be, he's gonna be running all the time. He's gonna love it. Um, so Doce. Mm-hmm. And Doce sober. And I found this to be like an interesting note that after Lola performed, Doce performed and she like took a pause to say like, Lola is an amazing artist, and like, I just wish the best for her.
Like, let's all wish the best for her and hope she's like, mm. Back on her feet, you know? I also did not love how they dragged Lola off stage, by the way. I didn't love that. Did you see that? I don't think I watched the whole clip. Okay. Because after she fell, I was like,
Zoe: oh,
Heather: well, they like. Propped her. Like they weekend up Bernies her and like kind of dragged her off the stage.
[00:43:00] And I was like, I think, I think I might've seen that actually. Yeah. Like get one of those things and lift her up. They get a gurney. There are like paramedics everywhere. Like we're not dragging people. She's a little girl. Yeah. At
Zoe: music festivals they have like a lot of paramedics there. They should have done something like that because Yeah, she could have like broke her back.
That fall was
Heather: crazy. She could have slammed her head. Yeah, it could have been horrible. And if she's on drugs, that's not good. But that's
Zoe: cool that Doci said something. I didn't know that she did that. Um, yeah. And it is cool that, did you listen to her new album,
Heather: DOCI? Yeah. No, I'm busy, but I will. Okay. But Doce has been very open about her sobriety and writing her last album, and I'm like, okay, I like this.
I like that Doce is here. Maybe they'll become friends. Like maybe, yeah. Maybe there are other enough people that are addicts that are sober that can reach out to her. I think in sobriety you feel so, or in sobriety, in addiction, you feel so alone all the time. Mm-hmm. And I think that maybe we're [00:44:00] moving into a place where it's like.
Hey, I was also an addict and I'm open about it, so come over to my house. You know, like that's literally all I want. That's all
Zoe: I want for these celebrities to like have more people to talk to about, yeah. How, I guess like I was isolating. It would feel like to be stuck as like an artist and have this problem, but have to feel like they have to go on stage.
Yeah. Oh my God. Imagine being fucked up and going on a stage. No,
Heather: I was thinking that. I was literally thinking like, have you ever. Been in a situation where you're too drunk to be there and you're like, fuck. I mean, yeah. I mean,
Zoe: I figure skated high when I was in high school, and that was like crazy. Like I'm pretty sure I must have thrown up a couple times at skating because I was like, wait, too.
Heather: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, interesting. You were skating, you were smoking weed when you were still skating?
Zoe: Yeah. Oh, okay. Like I wasn't as competitive as. Like [00:45:00] grade nine, grade, like up to grade 10, let's say. I was pretty competitive after grade 10. Weed and alcohol took over and I wasn't as competitive, but I would still skate for like fun, do like a competition here and there, but not as serious.
So at that point I was just like. Whatever,
Heather: smoking weed after school, then going to skating. I know, I'm trying to think if there was ever like an event. It just seems like that would've, but I feel like, I mean, I was doing everything drunk, but I wasn't, I wasn't c successful enough. Enough to be, yeah.
Zoe: I wasn't conscious of how drunk I or high I was getting until like the next morning that I like woke up from a blackout and I was like, oh shit, I fucked it up.
God, God, like at the moment you feel like you're, you're, you can do anything that you're, have a superpower over everybody. But then, yeah, you wake up the next morning and you realize you are not a super. You didn't have any superpower to this? No. You're
Heather: literally just a drunk asshole. Yeah,
Zoe: literally just a drunk asshole.
Heather: Arianne and I once, I [00:46:00] think we were together, we were in San Francisco and we were working with this dancer, and she got up on stage to say thank you. She was hosting the event and there's donors there. There's like rich people. There's all these people and she is. Fucked up out of her mind. She's so drunk and we're the whole night we're like, oh, she's drunk early.
And this was before like I really had a problem. I was like more in my eating disorder at this time. Yeah. And then when she went to get up on stage, we were all watching her from the back and she is swaying and she is talking and won't stop talking. And nothing she is saying makes any sense. And I remember watching that being like.
Oh, fuck. See, this is a problem. Yeah, this is a problem. But then I went, oh, well if I'm never drunk in front of people on a stage, I'm fine. Like, I'm not doing that. I'm, yeah, yeah. But, oh man, that's crazy. What a ding. I don't think,
Zoe: um, yeah, I don't think I was like, I don't know. I guess like at work, obviously.
Yeah. Going to work drop. I know
Heather: [00:47:00] those are the I, the things I remember are like the conversations and like being really, really animated in a conversation and then just, oh God, like in front of my parents just being, oh God, no, I'm just having horrible flashbacks. So I asked Francesca,
Zoe: who I'm staying with.
Mm-hmm. I'm staying with her family in Italy, and I asked her like, what the most. Horrible moment. It was for like seeing me drunk and the one that she brought up first was, I guess I must have been in like first or second year, like this is pretty long ago, but we were at some bar and I just like got too drunk obviously.
And she meant this like really cute Irish man and they were talking.
Heather: Mm-hmm.
Zoe: And I was. Really drunk, like falling over. I was smoking a cigarette and like running across the street, almost got hit by a car, so she had to come and chase me like just I was a runner. When I [00:48:00] was drinking.
Heather: Yeah.
Zoe: So she was like trying to take care of me and then trying to be like flirty with this guy.
And she obviously wanted to hook up with this guy. Yeah. But I was the biggest cock block ever for her because she was like, I, I can't, I'm sorry, I need to take care of my friend. But I guess that guy walked. Us both home to her house. 'cause I slept over at her house that night and I guess she was just like mad that she couldn't hook up with that guy 'cause she really wanted to.
Heather: No, he should have just come in
Zoe: and then you in the corner somewhere. I was like. She knew that I was probably gonna be throwing up all night and yeah. Oh,
Heather: had
Zoe: second time, the second story that she told me, the second time, I guess I was calling everybody in my phone being like, I'm gonna kill myself. I'm gonna kill myself.
Perfect. And then, and she was at work. And she like didn't know what to do, but I guess my parents had called the [00:49:00] ambulance and then the ambulance took me to the hospital and then when she got off work at like 11:00 PM she came straight to the hospital and spent the night with me. Oh, I barely remember that to be honest.
But I do, we went to France at like 5:00 AM when they let me out, um, for breakfast. Perfect. Yeah, I remember a little bit of that part. I really don't remember like her coming to the hospital to like save me, but that's really sweet.
Heather: Oh my God, it's surpri. Yeah. I mean, it's surprising that she did that.
She's like, I'm gonna spend the next however many hours not sleeping. Yeah, yeah. Like Liz, Zoe. Damn. That's a good friend. That is a good friend. Yeah. Did you guys ever break up?
Zoe: No. No? Okay. That's nice. She's in school now to be a nurse, and I really think that like she really just like wants to help people.
She understands what addiction is, especially knowing me, like I think she, yeah. She knew that I was a good person in mm-hmm. My core, but I just did crazy shit when I was drinking. Um, totally.
Heather: How [00:50:00] did you feel when she was telling you those things?
Zoe: Well, I was scared it was gonna be something worse, like me peeing on her couch.
Oh, did you do that? I think so,
Heather: yeah. Probably. Or a peer? Probably.
Zoe: Yeah.
Heather: That was like your whole thing. That was your more
Zoe: L-O-R-E-I dunno why like peeing is so much more like. Shameful to me than like running in the street and ending up in the hospital. Like the peeing is where the shame is. Well, I
Heather: think it's crazy 'cause you're unconscious.
It's like, you like that's so scary. Like you can't control your bladder. Like you can't control throwing up either, but at least you're like aware when it's happening just to like wake up and pee is like, whoa, my body just took over in the night. That's scary. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like what happens to people, dead people.
Yeah, I just let all of their fluids go literal, let it
Zoe: all toxins outta me. But yeah, I think I didn't, I don't even know if I remembered her coming to the hospital that day. So do you remember the
Heather: Irishman
Zoe: story? [00:51:00] No,
Heather: not at all. Interesting.
Zoe: Okay. I don't remember anything. Oh my God. But that actually, I must have been like 18 when that happened.
Like I, that must have been as soon as I like moved to the city.
Heather: Yeah. Well, I mean, the thing with Anne, when Anne told me that one night, she'll come on the pod soon, but when she told me the one night where our friendship broke up, I didn't fucking remember any of that. And then even my friend Paige, when she said like, we went to a coffee shop together and like had a conversation.
Like I wasn't drunk, it was in the morning, which says nothing, but I wasn't drunk. Yeah. And I don't remember that. Right. Like my brain was just in a hangover and then I was gonna drink again. It's wild. No, I
Zoe: don't remember a lot of shit that happened. Mm-hmm. During my addiction for sure. Yeah. But yeah, Francesca will come on too and tell her side of things.
Yeah. Next time we go to
Heather: Italy, we'll bring all of our equipment.
Zoe: I think she, she, I have two boxes of her things in my house in Toronto, so [00:52:00] she needs to come and grab it. She might come next year, next summer. That'll be fun. I hope she
Heather: was okay. Well, what's on your docket for the rest of the day?
Zoe: I think we're going bowling tonight with her boyfriend.
Oh, she's a boyfriend. That's cute. Okay. Fun. But her boyfriend and my boyfriend have very similar names, and they both are rudders and they both have like facial hair. Interesting. And they're both like, not short kings, but Medium height kings. Medium Kings. Medium
Heather: Kings. Medium Kings. I'll find, maybe I'll find a medium king and I'll come to Italy too.
Perfect. No, just kidding. I'm good. Oh, okay. I mean, I'll come to Italy. I just don't wanna bring a
Zoe: boy. Don't wanna bring a boy in. It's been like nice. Being like traveling around by myself here. Yeah. I do see couples and I'm like, oh, it would be nice if my boyfriend was here, but it is also cool that I'm [00:53:00] doing this alone and having like a little bit of alone time.
Yeah, and just experiencing it and taking it in by myself. It seems like very therapeutic and I really am just like enjoying the fuck out of this place.
Heather: Perfect. That's a, that's, I think traveling alone is like incredibly important, especially for a woman. I think for men too, actually go out there and get some perspective, but like, it's very important to know you can do it by yourself.
Zoe: Yeah. I've never really traveled by myself either. I usually have like a friend or someone with me. Um, it's nice.
Heather: I think also too, like. People like waiting, waiting until you have a partner to go and experience things like go to Italy, go to Paris, go to like romantic places. Yeah. You've always thought about going with a partner.
Honestly, fuck that. When has a a partner ever made your life better? Like, just go by yourself. It's so fun. And like no one gives a shit that you're by yourself. Like, go meet someone. Go hook up. Go hang out. Be careful. Exactly. But yeah, I think it's cool. Yeah. I'm gonna go, [00:54:00] I'll go somewhere. Maybe I'll go to Paris.
Go to Patty. Patty. Yeah.
Zoe: You would love it up here. It's really just, it's nice and every, like, the mountains are an hour away and then the beach is an hour away, so we're kind of like in the middle of the mountains and the beach. Perfect. Um, I had a shot. Water.
Heather: Oh my God, Zoe that, don't say that to me. My insides just like tightened.
Now I have a six pack because of that. Oh my God. Okay. You had a shot of water. Very cool.
Zoe: So apparently they used to, well, some places still do that when you order an espresso or a coffee at some of the cafes here, they'll give you the coffee and then like a shot of water, because coffee usually makes you thirsty.
So they give you free shots of water. Because usually water you, you have to buy a bottle at all the cafes in the restaurants and it's like two 50, but at some. Francesca said it. Some of like the older establishments. Older cafes, they'll [00:55:00] still give you the shot of water. It used to be a thing all at all places back in the day.
But now only a few places give you shots of water. And I was like, oh my God, this is so crazy.
Heather: Yeah. So you shot it, did it feel, feel like old times? It kind of felt nice. I liked it. Yeah. Uh, I know that's how I feel when I take those, like ginger shots, I'm like, mm-hmm. Oh God. My old stomping grounds. Yeah.
Yeah. Were you good at taking
Zoe: shots? Yeah,
Heather: I'm so good at like tequila shots. Like it was nothing like I was so. I, yeah, I loved that about myself too. I like loved that. Like other people would be like, oh, I can't do tequila. I know. I'd be like,
Zoe: I felt like I was invincible. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm like, yeah,
Heather: the tequila's gross.
But you just have to push through it and then we're gonna find ourselves on the other side. Find yourselves on the drunk side, everybody. Yeah. But it's better now. Now we just take shots of water and a so it, so yeah, I'm gonna go probably have a gelato
Zoe: and. Yeah. Have [00:56:00] some dinner?
Heather: Mm-hmm.
Zoe: Fun. I think Anne's coming over.
Heather: We're gonna get brunch and then we're gonna paint this wall.
Zoe: Oh. Are we gonna do a different shade of purple?
Heather: No, I think we're gonna do like an off white pink. Did you see how cute he was? No. Oh my God. Oh my God. Everyone's screaming.
Zoe: Everyone is screaming. Oh my God. He's so annoying. Lucky him. I know. He's
Heather: such a good boy.
Okay, well, we have to talk once a week regardless, because that's like our own little meeting, so Yeah. I'm so sorry Undrunkies if this was a little chaotic, but that's kind of just sobriety. Okay. Things are chaotic and we're just trying to bring it to you from wherever we are, but we'll get that better.
These are all perfect. We'll get better at this. It's fine. Yeah. Okay. Well. Proud. Proud of you. Proud. I'm so proud of you actually traveling alone. This is so good. Yeah. I'm very proud of you. Yeah. Thanks, honey. Proud of you too. All goodbye. Proud of all of you. Bye.[00:57:00]
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