#21: My husband, Timothée Chalamet
Heather and Zoe dive into the controversy surrounding Kratom wellness drinks, reflect on sobriety as a growing cultural shift, and plot their night out at a non-alcoholic bar. Giggle breaks, dream husbands, and hot takes included.
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My husband, Timothée Chalamet: Transcript
Heather: [00:00:00] This podcast covers sensitive topics that may be difficult for some listeners. Please take care while listening. I went to the lake and um, she went into the
Zoe: water
Heather: for 20 seconds, for 20 seconds. I'm scared. I'm scared.
Zoe: Yeah, but a fish is not gonna swim up your vagina. I don't You don't know that? I like, yeah, don't swim in Lake Ontario.
Never swim in Lake Ontario. You can be afraid of that water. Yeah. There's certain water that Yes you can be afraid of.
Heather: It's not the water, it's what's could be in there. Like what kind of underground monster. Like it's just so big and vast. I'm like, there is some sort of something under here that's gonna leak.
No, but trust me, there
Zoe: isn't,
Heather: you know, and take me down. You're the only monster in the lake. That's true.
Music: Yeah.[00:01:00]
Welcome back to Girl Undrunk. Hey guys, I'm Heather. I'm Zoe. How are you? Are you drunk today? Is everybody okay today? Is everyone feeling everybody okay? I actually do feel like my nervous system is calm. I did you do like there it's a calm energy and I think it must
Zoe: be because you just had therapy.
Heather: Well she, we did do a grounding technique 'cause she was like, how are you? And I said, I don't really feel like I'm connected. So we were like breathing and feeling the chair and feeling my feet. Nice. So I think we're gonna do that every time. Nice. Because I just. Crazy, but you know, there's a lot going on.
Yeah. It's a very busy, A lot of things are happening for the podcast too. I know. I'm so excited. We're going. Out tonight. We're going out. Hey, we're going to 0, 0, 0 bar, zero bar in the village. Mm-hmm. We're going get get some Mocktails. Mocktails with the With the gaze Gay mocktails. So good. I'm so excited.
That's my old neighborhood. Yeah. So I'll point to the house I used to live in. Should we
Zoe: go to Cruise and Tangos after?
Heather: Is that still open? Oh [00:02:00] yeah, I think so. I think so. Oh my God. Is anyone performing tonight on a Thursday? Yeah, Thursday is the new Friday, babe. Thursday is the New Friday. Monday is my Sunday.
Monday is my Sunday. Monday is also your Sunday. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, how is your mental health? How are you,
Zoe: how am I, I mean, I'm good. Mm-hmm. Literally nothing to really complain about. I, um, I am really excited about everything that's going good for the pod. Me too. I feel just like proud of us, I guess.
Yeah. And I'm just really excited to hang out with you all weekend at the lake house. Oh my God. I'm
Heather: so excited. But I'm feeling really good. I'm feeling good too. I'm excited. I'm excited. This is the first time you're actually gonna meet Anne in person. Yeah. That's so crazy. That's crazy. I'm so excited. All of our boys are gonna be together.
Yeah. Our boyfriends will kiss this weekend. Oh, they're gonna kiss. You're gonna kiss by the bonfire. Oh yeah. Crazy. Oh my God. I have to buy two Muskoka chairs. That's okay. Whatever. Um, [00:03:00] my mental health is fine. I am stressed out, but I think that's okay. That does not mean that I'm depressed. Mm-hmm. I'm just.
There's a lot going on and it's good things. Yeah. But my brain doesn't really separate like good stress and bad stress, so it's all just like, ah. Yeah. But I think I'm okay. My nervous system feels fine. And I had a nice like little romantic, little getaway. Yeah. And I feel good and safe and calm. Yeah.
Zoe: No, I feel like.
It's going really good between you guys to be honest. Like I feel like you guys got through some hurdles and it really tested you guys. Mm-hmm. But now you obviously can talk about things better. Yeah. And like talk about like struggles and how to like, get over it instead of just like be mad at each other, you know?
Heather: Yeah. There's like something that happens when my nervous system gets triggered and I'm not able to like be calm. Mm-hmm. I'm like. Ugh. Why am I sober? Yeah. Like I just get so like wild up real fast. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't like that. And I was saying that to my therapist today. I'm like, I gotta. I gotta rein it in.
Yeah. [00:04:00] I feel very buzzy all the
Zoe: time. Yeah. Well, I was talking to someone at the meeting last night and I was just like, I don't know, like I'm good. Everything's just really busy, but like all these things that are happening in my life are good things. Mm-hmm. So I don't have anything to complain about, like
Music: Yeah.
Yeah.
Zoe: It's a good type of busy and honestly, busy is good for people like us because That's true. There's no time to like sit and wonder about drinking, you know? Yeah, that's true. And also
Heather: I think busy. There's a fine line between busy and like overwhelming. Yeah. You know, you have to like manage that. Yeah.
I think it's good. It's like growth.
Zoe: I booked tickets to Portugal and Italy.
Heather: Oh. Have you been to either of those places?
Zoe: I've been to Italy when I was like maybe grade eight with my family. Okay. All I remember about that trip is that I ate three gelatos every single day. Oh my God. For a week and a half.
Yeah.
Heather: Okay. That's a gelato. That was like a goal of
Zoe: mine to eat ice cream three times a day. Hey, you're an ice cream girl. I'm an, I'm an ice cream girl. Yeah, through and through.
Heather: My sister likes a gelato [00:05:00] too, and I, it doesn't call to me. Oh, it calls to me.
Zoe: My boyfriend, he got mad this weekend 'cause I, well, we got ice cream on let's say Saturday or Sunday night and then.
I wanted it again the next night. And he was like, yeah, but we had it last night. And I said, so what? Give me my motherfucking ice cream. You're like
Heather: so observant. Great memory. Okay, so this has nothing to do with sobriety, but mm. It affects me. So I'm just gonna say that it affects my sobriety. Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry have been seen out and about.
So do you think it's a publicity stunt? Well, you know how I feel about Ka Perry? Yeah. I don't know what's going on with her, but she's literally, something happened to her. Yeah. She's trying to get into a bunker. She's,
Zoe: she's like so different now. Like weird. She a cy. It's weird. Is it KA Perry or is it a clone of Ka Perry at this point?
And where did Ka Perry go? Because I want teenage dream
Heather: back. Well, I also thought that it was always weird that she was with Orlando [00:06:00] Bloom. I'm like, this doesn't make sense. Something's wrong here. And then also, where's Orlando Bloom? Yeah. Well they were together at Tiff last year. I saw them walk the red carpet.
Yeah. Oh, right outside your house with um. With your bicycle?
Zoe: Yes. Right outside my house.
Heather: Oh my God. Does it go outside your house? Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God, dude.
Zoe: Hello. Yeah. Hi. I am trying to get into my condo. Bye guys. Yeah, everybody scoot. Scoot. Well, I go outside of my condo and it's the red carpet, and I'm like, oh yeah, of course for me, I do.
Yeah, I do.
Heather: Mm. Like, okay. God. Well now, now you can be like, thank you so much. It's a podcast. I, yeah, exactly.
Zoe: Hand out our stickers. Yeah,
Heather: bring your own camera. Yeah. Oh God. Yeah. You can be there taking photos. Oh my God. I'll be there. Okay. I'll be there. You do a TikTok of that. I feel. Katie Perry is trying to get into some bunker.
She's trying to get with all the rich.
Music: Yeah,
Heather: and it's weird.
Zoe: It's fucking weird. Like the cr. Watching her shit on TikTok, like her concerts on TikTok is cringe as fuck. What [00:07:00] has happened? Well,
Heather: it's just like, it's, it's like it's, it's catering to like children and the like, elder, millennial. Well now Katie just wants to be in the politics.
Maybe she'll run.
Zoe: What is Orlando Bloom doing?
Heather: I don't know. But he was so
Zoe: hot. He was so, he was like Pirates of the Caribbean. I
Heather: really wanted to hold
Zoe: his hand. I really wanted to suck his stick.
Heather: Yeah. I wasn't there yet, but I really was like Orlando Bloom. Where, but like, I would love for him to act again.
Yeah. Same. Come on the pod.
Music: Orlando. Orlando
Heather: Bloom friend of the pod. Um, that's all I have to say about them, but we uh, we saw this article about this, um, this well, oh yeah, this wellness drink. Yeah. That it's being promoted as a wellness drink. It's called. Feel free wellness drink. Have you heard of it before?
No. No. I hadn't heard
Zoe: of it either, but I guess it's like not Health Canada approved yet. Yeah. Which like Health Canada is very [00:08:00] strict about stuff coming into Canada, which is good. Mm-hmm. Our FDA is very different. Yeah. America lets everything fucking in.
Heather: Yeah, and that's where you guys are eating an old shoe.
Yeah, we are eating a shoelace, a shoe lace, but yeah, mean shoelace. We don't have this stuff, especially around drugs and alcohol. Yeah. We are like pretty conservative on that. Even
Zoe: for skincare, like working at the clinic, like there's some products that take forever to get approved because why is that?
Heather: Be,
Zoe: I don't Canada.
Canada is just strict. Yeah. Canada is safer.
Heather: This wellness drink called Feel Free is marketed as a natural energy and mood boosting alcohol alternative. I mean, it sounds great. It sounds great. It sounds great. Is it promoted as like a caffeinated drink? It's not promo promoted as that at all. Okay. It's literally just promoted as a natural energy booster.
Okay. Alcohol alternative. Okay. And
Zoe: so usually like, so I would assume that it would be an energy drink if I just like heard about that, I [00:09:00] would buy it because I think it's an energy drink, I guess. Yeah,
Heather: I would too. Or like, um, you know, those like supplements with like the mushrooms or like the ashwagandha, stuff like that.
Now the thing is, yeah. People are getting addicted to it when they looked into it. This what it is, is a, it's a thing called Krato. Kratom, okay. K-R-A-T-O-M. I'm probably butchering how to spell that. Yeah, I've been outta the game for a while. But Kratom Kratom, it is, what it does is it interacts with your opiate receptors in your brain.
So it, so it's a drug. Yeah, it's a drug. Yeah, it, it basically acts similarly to an opiate. So in small doses it's a stimulant. Mm-hmm. So in small doses, yeah, it could feel like an energy drink, but in larger doses it's like a sedative. Mm-hmm. Like an opiate. Mm-hmm.
Zoe: I wonder, does it have like a label on it?
Like drink only one in every 24 hours or anything? Possibly. Possibly. I would hope so.
Heather: But the way they get around these things Yeah. Is because [00:10:00] it's not regulated. Yeah. Like they don't have to be as regulated, especially when it's like health foods and stuff. It seems to be sometimes with these like health food drinks, they don't.
They can be out on shelves before they're fully FDA approved. Interesting. And that's, that's, this one is, it's not fully FDA approved? No.
Zoe: Okay. And yet, for some reason, reason, so now it's getting pulled off the shelves because it's, well, not yet. This is just like early stages. Yeah. Okay. So imagine if someone bought this Yeah.
As like a healthy drink. Yeah. Right. And then they love it. Mm-hmm. And then they realize it's basically opium or opioids, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then. If they can't find it anymore because they take it off the shelves. Yeah. And then they go and buy drugs. Yeah.
Heather: I think these things like, oh. That made me feel really good.
This was like a natural energy. Yeah. I'm gonna take it again and again. Uh, even if you don't realize, like know that it's an addictive substance you're taking, your body is getting Yeah. Addicted. Yeah. So people are going through withdrawal and some people are reporting that their withdrawal from this [00:11:00] Yeah.
Is worse than an alcohol withdrawal. Yeah. Which alcohol withdrawal is so scary and dangerous and horrible. If I took it, yeah. If I drank it. My body would immediately be like, oh, we know what this is. Yeah. And then it would want more. Yeah. Like it would be such a fucking loophole for me. Yeah. It's very dangerous to market something like that.
I that, that's what I find with all of this stuff. Who are the,
Zoe: who
Heather: fucking owns this company? Like, let's see. Okay. The brand was created by JW Ross, who developed, feel free. As a so-called alcohol alternative while recovering from alcohol addiction? No. He first formulated it after studying plant-based medicines in South Pacific.
He found himself a loophole. He found himself a fucking loophole and he made money off of it. Wow. Crazy. And of course it is a man. Well, yeah, of course it's a man.
Zoe: Yeah.
Heather: That's so crazy. It's like, oh, I can't drink alcohol. Yeah, I'll just do something else. I'll
Zoe: just do this very minor drug. Yeah. That like [00:12:00] still makes me feel like the effects and I still like the effects of it.
Well, but I don't have to drink alcohol
Heather: and I don't know how, how big of a problem this is. Yeah. Because it's not FDA. A regulated, yeah, the doses are different in every batch. 'cause you can't be super consistent if you're not like going through through with the FDA is very dangerous. It's so dangerous.
Like, I don't know what's in like those like mushroom, like remember my ex used to drink, put those like tinctures of like mushroom stuff and he's like, it's for focus. And I'm like, you guys dunno what you're taking. Yeah. And that's probably fine. Yeah. But I'm like, anything like that, I'm like, you're not, this isn't better.
And, and like. I guess the word alternative. Yeah. That's what I, we need to hone in on 'cause it's alcohol
Zoe: alternative. Yeah. Yeah.
Heather: Because that to me, for some reason, immediately I'm like, oh, it's a thing to drink when you're sober.
Zoe: Yeah.
Heather: It's like a wellness drink, alcohol alternative. Okay. Maybe it gives me a little buzz.
'cause there are some things, like sometimes I have a pop and I'm like, oh, she buzzy. Yeah.
Zoe: I love, I love a pop, I love a red [00:13:00] bull. Like, yeah,
Heather: sometimes extra caffeine, like sometimes that makes you buzzy. So I just figured that's what it was. But. Alcohol alternative. Hold on. Why are you doing that? Yeah. Why?
Why do you have to be, why do you have to do an what happened with alcohol that you can't drink it anymore? That you're looking for an alternative like this is, this is not even harm reduction. This is transfer addiction.
Zoe: Yeah.
Heather: Right. Like you're just addicted to, or for me anyway, addicted to the feeling of like being out of my body.
Yeah.
Zoe: You're still feeling the effects of a drug. Yeah. Giving you dopamine. Yeah. You know, like this. You're not clearly, it says it's a drug. You're not sober. Yeah.
Heather: This is how I feel too about like weed and shrooms. The microdosing like that. The
Zoe: microdosing. You're doing drugs.
Heather: Yeah. Yeah. You are doing drugs.
Yeah. And I know people use it and they're like, oh, it's good. It's for focus. And people are microdosing all day. No, if you're microdosing mushrooms, you're taking drugs. You're taking drugs. And for me, I like the married guy, [00:14:00] he. My prosing mushroom. Oh really? Yeah. I didn't know that. And he was like, I just like love.
It's so cool that I can be around you. And Zoe, our married man Yeah. Was taking the mushrooms. Our married man. I thought you were talking about your married man. Oh no. No, never. And I was, well, maybe he would. I know. But he was like, it's so cool to be around you and Zoe and like just be sober. And I'm like, you smoked a joint on the way to the restaurant and you've been popping pills the whole time, babe.
Yeah. Like you are not sober, which is fine, but you said Yeah, but you're not sober. Yeah. Yeah. But I do think like. If I were to my grid, those mushrooms, I haven't, but like, are you fucking, I'm gonna go off the deep end with them. Yeah. I'm gonna take too much. I'm gonna take them every day. Your tolerance is gonna go up.
Mm-hmm. It's the whole same thing. Same with weed. Yeah. Like, I think I've said this before, but like you can totally be addicted to weed. Totally. Absolutely. A hundred percent. Yeah. If I took anything that just allowed me to sit in my bed and do fuck all, all day, I would do it. Well, it's
Zoe: because like also like if you're weaning off weed, like you.
There's side effects. Yeah. The side effects shows it is an [00:15:00] addiction. Yeah. You know, like if you're doing it every single day mm-hmm. You're gonna have side effects when you stop and that means you are addicted.
Heather: Yeah. This says with this drink, it kept using like the alcohol alternative alcohol alternative.
And I was like, why are we calling something an alcohol alternative when it's just a drug?
Zoe: Well, it's like a loophole, right? Yeah. Like he found
Heather: himself a loophole. You think also like. What do you think about this? Like alcohol being separate from drugs? Like to me, they're the same fucking thing.
Zoe: They are different.
They give you the same side. Like they give you the same effect, though.
Heather: They can both ruin your life. Yeah.
Zoe: Like I feel like they both give you the same like euphoria effects, whatever. Yeah. It is just drinking or taking a drug.
Heather: Yeah. And I guess that's true. Like you can take this and your life might not be ruined.
Yeah. So I think there's two things. I think sometimes you can like be an alcoholic, ruin your whole life, and then get sober. You [00:16:00] could be an alcoholic, ruin your whole life and then be like, I'm sober. I need a little something to take the edge off. Yeah. But then you're not sober, but then you're not sober.
Yeah. And I, and I, and I don't, then you're not actually ever getting to the root of it. Yeah. It's like, okay, you've calmed a symptom, which is alcohol. Yeah. Because maybe you're super aggressive, maybe you don't get work done. But now we're like microdosing, shrooms and we're never fully in our body. Yeah. So we never fully heal whatever it is that's making us need to take a substance.
Zoe: Yeah. I think, um,
Heather: and shrooms is so fucking trendy.
Zoe: Shrooms is so trendy. Mm-hmm. I never like got the appeal of shrooms, to be honest. But yeah. If you're microdosing, shrooms, yeah. You're still, it's like microdosing. Shrooms is like equivalent to having one drink a night.
Heather: Yeah.
Zoe: Of like, that's the drug. Yeah.
But you're doing it during the day.
Heather: Like that's the other thing. It's like an acceptable drug to just do casually all day long. That's true. And it's, I just, I don't know. It's an interesting one. [00:17:00] I did not. No. No. Well, I would probably drink, honestly. Yeah. If I just started doing drugs, I'd be like, what's the difference?
Exactly.
Zoe: Well, and that's why like we can't smoke weed and we can't
Heather: Yeah.
Zoe: Do shrooms casually. Like we can't do anything casually. We'll do it to the extent.
Heather: No, no. As, because even if you're like, oh, you can't get addicted to shrooms, which yes, you fucking can. Yeah. I'm addicted to getting the fuck outta my body.
Yeah. I love that. Mm-hmm. It's like, even if you say that, I'll be like. Try me. Yeah. Yeah. I can, like, you can get addicted and it will lead you to do something else. I don't know. It just feels, it feels like we're, we're, we're creating a whole new trend and it's just, no one's super educated about it, you know?
It feels weird.
Zoe: Yeah.
Heather: I can't believe
Zoe: that fucking drink. I know. That is really crazy. Let's stay on top of that and see if it gets. Like, but it can't be promoted as a fucking health and wellness drink. No, that's the thing. Yeah. Like this [00:18:00] fucking mom Yeah. Of four kids goes to Whole Foods Yeah. And gets this health and wellness drink.
Yeah. And get tries it and gets addicted to it. Yeah. Then looks into it and finds out it's a drug.
Heather: Yeah. Not to mention as an addict and as a sober person, I'll touch anything that says like healthy health wellness. Good for you. Yeah. Good gut. Yeah. I won't read the fucking label. If it's a cute bottle and it says like it's from Whole Foods and it says like, healthy, I'm gonna fucking drink it.
Same. So I'm not going to. I'm, I'm gonna assume it's fine. Yeah. If it doesn't say there's alcohol
Zoe: in it. Well, and that's why we do need to be more careful about looking at the labels and like watching bartenders make our drinks. Yeah. You know, like, yeah, it is dangerous because that could happen. Yeah. Did I tell you when I was at Swan, like a couple weeks ago for my friend's birthday, this girl ordered a mocktail.
She like sipped on it for a couple minutes and she was like, wait, this kind of tastes like booze. And then asked the server. And the server was like, [00:19:00] yeah, sorry. Oops. I did get you the cocktail version by accident. And then she had to just take it off the bill. But I'm like, fucking, thank God that wasn't me.
Did she drink it? She drank like a couple sips of it. Is she an alcoholic? She's not an alcoholic. Okay. I think she just wasn't drinking. That's so scary. That's so scary. And also it's like. Okay. That server, yeah, was probably like, oh yeah, just a dumb mistake I made. Oops. But like, no, you need to be So on that.
Yeah. For the alcoholics, like, yeah, we can't just have like, oh, a dumb mistake. That's also on us to like look and ask like, Hey, this is non-alcoholic, right? Yeah. Like there's so many things that we have to do as sober people to ensure our sobriety every single day. Like it's a lot of work. Yeah. It would be easier if people just actually cared about us and listened to a sober person instead of just being like, oh, fuck you, you're sober.
Ha ha.
Heather: Yeah. It's like it's no different than being like, I literally can't eat gluten. Yeah, I can, but like if you're [00:20:00] celiac, you can't have that. Yeah. So. Take it seriously. It's very important. I know sometimes I see, like, I'll go to dinner and they'll, they'll have like a whole tray of drinks. Yeah. And I'm like, how the fuck do you know?
Literally. But I always ask, they put it in front of me and I go, this one's the non-A alcoholism, right? Yeah. And they always have said, oh yeah, yeah. Like, but I. It feels sometimes a little annoying for me to like ask.
Zoe: But that's the thing, like it's kind of annoying too, like at, at this point, like I've been asking for almost three years.
Yeah. Like at what point do I just trust them? But that's where it gets iffy. Like we can't ever really trust anybody. No. We need to just keep making sure that it's a sober one. And
Heather: Yeah. I don't think that you can ever trust anyone but yourself. Yeah. Like you can't just trust, you know. A male,
Zoe: a male bartender, a male we can never trust.
A male can't trust a male bartender.
Heather: And you know what? They're everywhere. No, you can't. Yeah. And I always like, sometimes like I sit there and I'm like, this is the non-alcoholic and it's from the [00:21:00] non-alcoholic menu, and it's not even Yeah. And I
Zoe: just wanna make sure, like, and that's why when they like come over with a can, like, or if you're buying cans, like it's, it's nice.
Yeah. Because then, you know, or if like I'm getting a diet Coke, at least I know, hey, that. Doesn't have any booze in it. And maybe that's why I like, yeah, sodas and red, red bulls more because the mocktail, it could have booze in it if, I'm not sure.
Heather: And I don't know if this is like part of it with aa, but they, they promote like not doing non-alcoholic or dea.
And maybe it's also to prevent accidents like that. Yeah. You know? Honestly, that could be it too. Yeah. 'cause I've heard a lot of stories about that. Like someone goes to Mexico, they get a zero zero. Mm-hmm. It's a real one and they're like, oh shit, I'm already in it. Let's keep going babe. Exactly. It's just not good.
I, um, I was gonna say, so, oh, I'm excited to go to this bar tonight. Yeah. I don't really know what it is, but the non, like the o the first non-alcoholic bar in Canada Yeah. Are the only non-alcoholic bar in Canada for sure. It's the first, the first, I don't know. It might be the only, it's very exciting. [00:22:00] It's in the village.
Yeah. I'm excited to see what it is, but I was thinking about that today. I'm like, it's so good too. Have a place, especially in the village. Yeah. That like people can go, I wanna talk to them about that. I'm like, why? In the village? Yeah. And the village is like the L-G-B-T-Q Village. Yeah. And so there's a lot of like partying and stuff that goes on there.
That's where I used to live and I'm like, this is an interesting demo. Mm-hmm. You know, it's good though. It's so good. It's like it gives people a place to go, not just like someone's apartment. It's like if you don't wanna drink, you can go there. Well,
Zoe: my friend Brandon, he's obviously gay and friend of the pod.
He's sober. He, I didn't know this, but there's meetings that he goes to that are only for lgbtq plus like, oh, meetings for them that are like safe and like inclusive.
Heather: That makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I also feel like the experience is a little different for everybody. Like every community.
Yeah. Women. And I feel like it's
Zoe: good to like have a space for them to like have their own meetings. Like talk about their Totally. I'm sure their experiences are so like. [00:23:00] W like similar to each other. Yeah. And I'm sure they gain a lot.
Heather: Yeah. That's why I think those, like having all women's groups, all men's groups, I think those are really good to just relate to the people.
Yeah. Yeah. To the people. To that pa, to the syllabus. I'm excited. I'm excited to go down to that area though, 'cause I haven't been there since I moved here. And is there any good food on there? Should we get some
Zoe: dinner after we go?
Heather: There's so much. Oh God, I've done so much drinking over
Zoe: there. I know, but have you done any eating over there?
Probably not. Yeah, I've done a lot of eating over there.
Heather: Okay. But there's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot. But there's, there's some people that I, that like live amongst, like that live on the street and I wanna know if they're still there. I wanna know, because some of them, I think, I think about some of them all the time and it's, well, let's go check it out.
Let's go see if they're around Scary sometimes. 'cause like sometimes it'll be like, they, they do not look good. Do not look good. And then, and then someone's taken them in and given them a haircut. Then
Zoe: they're gone for six months and they're gone for six months and then they
Heather: come back and you said, where were you?
Yeah. What have you seen? What do you know? Yeah.
Zoe: And then they [00:24:00] say, yeah, someone took me out like in the butt fuck nowhere. Yeah. It took me forever to get back, say, Hey,
Heather: don't get in someone else's
Zoe: car. Don't move. Don't move our friends. Don't our street friends. Well,
Heather: the village was also where Bruce MacArthur was picking up all the gay men and killing them.
Remember that? The serial killer. I heard about that. Yes. Yeah. What a psycho I, that one psycho, that documentary was so interesting 'cause it was like in my neighborhood and I'm like, oh my God. That's where I walk my dog. Oh my god. That's my house. Yeah. Um, lot of murder in Toronto.
I dunno why you're so funny today there's a, I don't know what it is, there's a house near my sister that in the nineties this woman was murdered and my mom, when they walked by it, she always is like, murder house murder. And then she like says, what happened there? Yeah. Oh, it's crazy. He was stalking her and then he came and he was there and then I can't wait to like actually meet your mother.
I feel like everything will like, make [00:25:00] way more sense. We had a good giggle today about something. I don't remember what. Okay. Um, well, Arian brought up a good point. Okay. And I guess like it's, it's talking about like methadone and Dilaudid. Yeah. Methadone and Dilaudid are a harm, they're a harm reduction drug.
Zoe: Well, sub Suboxone as well is one of those suboxone sub Yes, because my, my rehab boyfriend, yes. Took Suboxone to get off his opioid addiction. Okay.
Heather: What was he on? Oxy. I can't, I, I can't remember. Gosh, you can't
Zoe: remember.
Heather: You know,
Zoe: he
Heather: is just doing the whole
Zoe: gamut of things. He'd just look at pills. He just did everything.
Hope it was the right ones, but. Yeah, from what he told me, a lot of people tell, told him to get on Suboxone because it really helps you quit. And he as a man was like, no, I can quit by myself. No, I can quit by myself. I don't need some other drug to help me.
Music: Mm-hmm.
Zoe: And then he finally did it and it was work.
Way more helpful [00:26:00] to clean him off of it. There's different ways to take it. You can take the pill every single day. I was gonna ask, what is it? Or you can take a shot once a month. Okay. Um, I think, and do you know why it does? I think it just slowly leans your body off of your addiction. Okay. Like, there's cer you go down every month, so each month you're slowly like.
Take Getting your body off of it. Yeah. Under like supervision from a doctor. Exactly. Yeah. So it is way easier than just cold turkeying it and going through the withdrawals is crazy from opiates, like it's really fucking hard. Yeah. My sponsor did it though without Suboxone, which is cool. My sponsors. 10 years, holy shit is in November.
Oh, that just gave me, I know. Whoa.
Heather: I, I have never done it. I've never done the harm reduction model. I've never been able to do anything like that. But I
Zoe: think in that case, like it is suggested, 'cause my ex had been trying to get sober like three plus times before, like he's been in and outta rehab. [00:27:00] So they're like, Hey, you have to fucking do something else.
Clearly these other ways of trying to get sober aren't working.
Heather: Yeah.
Zoe: Let's try. Putting you on Suboxone, you know?
Heather: Totally. I'd imagine It's hard to, because there's multiple ways of harm reduction. Got it. This like there's harm reduction to the point where you wanna stop. Yeah. And then there's harm reduction to like maintain.
Got it. But I think opiates or like Dilaudid in methadone. Yeah. Methadone is for heroin. Okay. Dilaudid is fentanyl. Okay. It's like opioids and then, and then suboxone is another opiate.
Zoe: Yeah. Or
Heather: maybe
Zoe: they're just the same
Heather: thing. Just different brands. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because I know there is a drink.
Yeah. And I know there's someone who I know who was a heroin addict, and they were, they had the, the drink. Yeah. I think it's Dilaudid and you keep it in the fridge. And if you, if anything happens, if you fuck up your dose, if you drop one, if you smash it, if you, [00:28:00] you know, or whatever it is. If you make one mistake, you are no longer allowed to take it home with you.
So you have to like go to the doctor or go to the clinic and have them either inject it or give it to you, administer it, and then like that takes away your autonomy. Yeah. So like that's hard. You're asking an addict to do. Be like, okay, take this. We're gonna help you wean yourself off. You cannot make a single
Zoe: fucking mistake, and you're bound to make mistakes in early addiction, like it's fucking bound.
And also these things cost money. They're not like, these are addicts we're talking about that have no money, and then they have to go and get Suboxone. What do you mean it's not, it's not covered in Canada, of course it's not covered. Oh, no. So that's another reason that these addicts like can't get help on the street and like just
Heather: Yeah,
Zoe: they can't, they don't have access.
They don't have $50 to have like a
Heather: month's
Zoe: supply of Suboxone. That's true. And so when
Heather: we talk about harm reduction, yeah, you're right. It has taken on two different things where it's like, yeah, there's an ability to stop if [00:29:00] you have the resources. Yeah. And maybe a house and a family. And then there's like.
I don't have those resources. I could never afford that and I don't have anything to lean on, so let's do it this way. Yeah. I just hope my drugs are clean. Yeah, it's really interesting. But again, like you can also get addicted to these things. Like you, you have to wean yourself off of methadone and that's really hard, right?
Like, I mean, I think if you're
Zoe: a heroin addict mm-hmm. You're not gonna get addicted to something that's a lower high than heroin. It's v it's, I think that would be unlikely, to be honest. Yeah.
Heather: But you, I wonder if like, giving yourself, I
Zoe: don't know. I would love to like talk to someone who's used it 'cause For sure.
But like, I'd never, like when the people at rehab and my ex were talk, or my rehab boyfriend was talking about it, it never seemed like a thing that people got addicted to. No. Okay. It never seemed like. No one was like, no, don't do that because you're gonna get addicted. Everyone was like, no, [00:30:00] like this is like a good way to get sober.
Yeah. Like it every, it was very positive. That's good. It was just like no one wanted to admit that they couldn't do it on their own and like have to have that help from another drug.
Heather: Maybe that's what it is too. It's like the ego of being like, I need help, so I'm gonna take this drug so that I don't have to take this drug.
Exactly. God, I just, fuck you. I'll just take the drugs. Like, it just seems like so exhausting. That's what addiction is. That's what addiction is. Yeah, man. Oh man. Okay, so one of the questions we got last week was, is sobriety and sober curiosity. Sober living is that. Trendy. Trendy? Or is this a thing that we think is going to stick?
Yeah. Is this like a cultural shift?
Zoe: Obviously it is trendy because it was in Happy Gilmore too. Oh my God. Yeah. I didn't see it. You saw it? I saw it, yeah. Did you see Happy
Heather: Gilmore? Yeah, and
Zoe: it's, my dad was obsessed with that movie. Like he played it probably like every few months when I was a kid. And it's about golfing.
Have you never seen it? [00:31:00] No, I didn't. I, oh my God. No. You would actually kind of fucking love it. Yeah. It's so stupid. Funny. You would cry. Happy Gilmore. He wanted to like, he grew up playing hockey. He fucking didn't know how to skate though. Awful skater. Great. His name happy. His name is happy. Okay. His dad like really wanted him to be in hockey.
He really liked hockey. Horrible skater. Great fighter sounds like an addict waiting to happen, but like never could like get the hockey thing. One day he hit a golf ball and it went right through a window, like streets down and everyone was like, oh my God, you should play golf. You're so fucking good. And then he started playing golf.
Yeah. Then he started winning all this money and he needed to win money because his grandma was gonna lose his house. His grandma took care of him as a child. He loves his grandma so much. We love that we're fighting for him to win all this money at the golf tournament. What's
Heather: wrong with her? Why? She lost all her money.
Is she bad with money? I don't fucking remember. Okay.
Zoe: But then [00:32:00] he wins the money. It's a generational issue. He wins the money and grandma gets to save his house. Thank you. That's the end of Happy Gilmore One. Okay, now we go on. Happy Gilmore Two.
Heather: Okay. Riveting. Let's go again. I'm assuming grandma's no longer with us.
Grandma's no longer with us. Yeah. Okay. Happy Gilmore has four kids, maybe five are his real daughters in the movie. Yes. I like their, I like, I love, I think they, I love. They're just a cool, they're so
Zoe: fucking cool.
Heather: Yeah, I like that. I love them. I like that whole thing. I love, I love them. My sister sees him.
Would you fuck him? No. No. I have zero interest in that kind of real choice of zero style. And my sister sees him all the time. Love in your film? I, I
Zoe: think he's, he's not stylish, but he is stylish. Like he started a trend, ideally
Heather: like it. Yeah. No, I don't wanna have sex with Adam Sandler.
Zoe: I mean,
Heather: would I
Zoe: like Adam?
Probably not now. Has like a whole like that's the Adam Sandler style. Yeah. You know, like he has
Heather: Yeah.
Zoe: [00:33:00] Evolved like into
Heather: Yeah.
Zoe: It's crazy. The style. Just being
Heather: a lazy asshole can turn into fashion for sure.
Zoe: Yeah. But uh, the second one. He hits a golf ball. Yeah. And it hits his wife in the head and he, she died.
No, she doesn't die. It starts like that and I'm like, ugh. Here, here again. The, the mother of of his children again? Yeah, the mother of his, his children. Oh, dead. That's how the movie starts. Oh my God. It's like up that movie up. Dead right in the beginning. Dead right in the beginning. And then. He's like drinking.
Sure. Way too much. Because he's sad and he's, he can't believe that he killed his wife doing the thing he loves and he's miserable. He said He's drinking, he's drinking, he's drinking. He drink. Never
Heather: golf again.
Zoe: No. He thought he was never gonna golf again. But then he drank all his money away. Oh. And they have to move out of grandma's house.
Lost everything. Lost everything. Are his kids still with him or are they adults? They are now in college. One of them is living with him, the real one, the girl. [00:34:00] And um, now he needs to play golf again to get some money, more money back. Oh, okay. This is just a moneymaking thing. And now he goes to meetings to like try to get sober.
And one of the girls that he talks to at the meetings is his other daughter. Yeah, but, and they like have a bond, but it's not
Heather: his long lost daughter in the real movie. No.
Zoe: Oh, okay. It's just, it doesn't matter what it's about, but they do bring to, into sobriety, into it. Yeah. That's good. Which is
Heather: interesting.
Zoe: Which is interesting. Which is on theme of like, yeah, sobriety is trendy. Like I, if it wasn't really trendy, they, Adam Sandler wouldn't put this random storyline of him getting sober into it in a comedy. Happy Gilmore won. He would like what? 20, 30 years ago? He would never get sober. Yeah. That would never be a story arc.
No. In a movie. But now 2025, it is a story arc because it's trendy to be
Heather: sober. That's actually a really interesting point because yeah, a lot of the like recovery movies I watch are [00:35:00] like, yeah, they're like in AA or they're in rehab and it's like so devastating and it's all these things and it's like this is just like.
This is a guy, he's very funny. He's a guy's guy. Everyone loves him. Everyone's dad nuts for him. Yeah. And like this guy is just going on his normal life, but he's also in aa. Yeah. I feel like the demographic that Adam Sandler caters to is interesting. Yeah. Because I think a lot of men of that generation probably drink a lot.
Yeah. And don't, yeah. AKA my dad a yeah. AKA. Most of our dads, yeah. Like most of our parents are. They just like weren't taught how to drink, nor were we. Yeah. But yeah, I think that's a, I think that's actually pretty cool. Mm-hmm. To be like, this is a guy that they all love and respect so much and don't expect kind of like emotions from him.
And then it's like, oh, a really real thing. Yeah. I don't think Adam Sandler is so in real, in real life. Is he? I don't think so. I don't think so, but I think that's pretty cool. I like it. It was a cool story. Arc was with the meetings that he, oh no, they were co-ed the meetings that he went to. [00:36:00] Yeah.
Zoe: Yeah.
And the meetings that he went to, like the per. It wasn't like how real meetings are at all. Mm-hmm. Like the movies never get it right. Yeah. Some weird guy was like running it and I guess he got arrested at the end by Kid Cudi. Like there was so many fucking cameos. It crazy. Kid cu, I fucking love Kid Cudi.
And that's the thing, I thought my husband was maybe gonna make a cameo. Timothee Chalamet . Yes, because Kid Cudi made a cameo. My husband plays basketball with Adam Sandler. My husband loves Kid Cudi. There everyone. Oh, like I really was hoping that you're like all
Heather: signs lead to T She, exactly. You're did like, if Steve Carrell comes out right now, I'm gonna freak out and like, my man, oh my God.
This is, this is, I love so much. Don't, I don't think that I realized that. Are you crying right now? Now Zoom in on her. This is.
What's going on? [00:37:00] Wait, now I feel like I'm.
Zoe: I loved Timothee Chalamet and I loved him first. Okay, anyways,
Heather: holy shit. What would you even do if you met him? I don't know. Like, this is crazy. This is really out of control.
One day we're gonna have a real conversation about how dangerous the nineties were. Yes. Let, and early two thousands, twos, um, speaking of nineties, early two thousands, we're talking about millennials talking about, yeah.
Zoe: Millennials. I did have an interaction with one. Mm-hmm. Recently. And with, with one of you, with one of you people.
Mm-hmm. Because I'm a Gen Z guys. Mm-hmm. Barely. But I was talking to this new girl and I was like, yeah, I'm almost three years sober, blah, blah, blah. And she was like, oh yeah, you Gen Z kids, you are. So health and [00:38:00] wellness. When we were drink too much, we just kept drinking until we figured it out. Yeah. And I was like, okay.
That seems, that seems like an inappropriate statement.
Music: Mm-hmm.
Zoe: You know,
Heather: I've heard that from multiple people. Yeah, I've heard that. And maybe not necessarily about drinking, but I have heard like. We just kind of picked our bootstraps up and went to work or like we just kind of got over it or like I was doing this and then we just kind of strap.
Zoe: Yes, but then, then you're not an alcoholic. If you can like get through it and like keep living your life, then yeah, you're not an alcoholic and you don't necessarily need to stop then. But like if I'm telling you that I'm sober and that I stopped, you should, you should clock that. It was probably for a reason, like I probably.
I don't wanna tell this random girl. Yeah, but I didn't wanna be like, yeah, I ended up at the hospital 15 plus times and was gonna kill myself.
Heather: Yeah.
Zoe: Thank God I did get sober. I didn't wanna say that to her, but it's just like you. Some people need to be a little bit more cautious of what they're saying.
Yeah, I think [00:39:00] is what it is.
Heather: I wonder what that is though. 'cause she's like, oh, you Gen Zs are so health and wellness. Like as if that's the reason to not drink it. Which it is, but it's also not the only reason. And I wonder why that's the first thing to come out of your mouth. Like I wonder is she.
Zoe: Is she drinking too much?
Yeah. I mean, she was drinking when I told her that. So maybe she can't confront her own drinking. Yeah. And can't look in inward. So that's just what she says when people tell her that they're sober. Yeah.
Heather: You know, and, and maybe to be like, oh, you guys are so healthy. It, it's easier to say that than like, oh, you probably had a problem and you had to look inward and you had to do this and all the,
Zoe: you know what I mean?
That's, yeah. But it's just like, why can't people just go there? Like, why can't people just ask? In a normal way, instead of just assume all these things like, yeah, I know, I, yeah, I don't wanna be sober. I have to be sober. It's not because I'm a health and wellness freak. Yeah. Our first episode was called, this is [00:40:00] not a Health and Wellness podcast, honestly, like, did you listen
Heather: to the podcast matter?
She clearly didn't. You obviously didn't. The millennial idea around drinking I find very interesting. Like I. We had an, we read an article that said like that the headline was like, millennials are the most drunk whatever generation in human history. Yeah. And so obviously we looked into that. 'cause I'm like, what's all this?
Then to me, I read that and I was like, yeah, that makes sense. Not
Zoe: really, and the
Heather: grand scheme of
Zoe: things, but maybe because there's so many millennials. Maybe that's like where it comes in. Yeah. But I do think that there's been
Heather: an interesting lifespan of millennial drinking. Oh. Like. Millennials started drinking before there were phones.
Yeah. So like people have gone through, I don't know, there's people who have gone through like a cultural
Zoe: shift. Well, and the drinking without phones, like not as many consequences. Right? Yeah. 'cause like you didn't text your fucking ex-boyfriend a billion times, you know? Yeah. If
Heather: you, you had to like actually go to [00:41:00] his house, which I'm sure you did.
I'm sure you did. Mm-hmm. I'm sure I would've, it was sad. I mean, I
Zoe: did, even though I had a phone. Had a phone. Yeah. And
Heather: still showing up places so. Then we start to go to clubs. And that's just like I, I feel like when I started drinking, you just like had to just drink fucking hard. Yeah. And I think like vodka and tequila and whatever was like cheapest and accessible.
Like I feel like something about the millennial generation of drinking is just so fucking sloppy. Yeah. And I don't know if that's like pressure and social pressure and then all of a sudden we like have to get.
Zoe: Jobs.
Heather: I don't really know. Yeah. It just seems
Zoe: like, yeah, you're expected to go crazy in college and then all of a sudden clean up your act and get a job.
Yeah. Like how does one go from drinking every single day Hardcore to like having a life after. Yeah. How are you supposed to do both because I
Heather: couldn't. What you just said about like, you're supposed to go crazy in college. I think [00:42:00] that's an interesting dichotomy with the, the purity culture. 'cause I think also what happened with millennials is they went through the Christian purity of it all Right.
And like, but
Zoe: I remember like being young and my parents being like, yeah, like you're gonna drink like throughout college, like you're gonna be crazy. Like even before I started drinking, like they had expected me to really, to like. Drink a lot throughout my high school college years. Mm-hmm. And they just like thought that was normal, what everybody does and like it is so normal, I just couldn't do it.
Yeah.
Heather: Yeah. I think, I think just thinking that drinking like that is normal or drinking at all, it's like it is a risky thing. Yeah. Like we send our kids out to go drinking in college and it's like. Giving them weapons. Yeah. Like you're giving them like psychological warfare. Yeah. Like this could be so dangerous.
And it is so dangerous. So dangerous. I don't know. The, the drinking behaviors are a lot. And then I think paired with like. The truth that is wellness culture. Yeah. I think there's like [00:43:00] 50% of the population is like wellness. Wellness of millennials, and then the other 50 is like, fuck you we're drinking know.
Zoe: Well, I think it's like the older generation, right? Is more, fuck you we're drinking. Yeah, we've been drinking. We're never gonna stop drinking. This is our thing.
Heather: Yeah.
Zoe: And then the younger generation of millennials is like, no, like what's. What are these Gen Zs saying? Yeah, let's be into our health and wellness guys.
Like, let's,
Heather: yeah,
Zoe: let's not drink poison maybe every single
Heather: night. You know? I do think, like generationally it does matter because I even think like I'm the first of my family to go to therapy.
Zoe: Yeah.
Heather: Like, and now
Zoe: everyone in your family goes to
Heather: therapy. Except for your mom. Except for my mom. But like, they weren't, they didn't know what that was.
Yeah. And people that are a little bit older than me are now trapped in this area. They're like in their forties and they're like, okay. So we were not taught. To go to therapy and now we're like of this age where like mm-hmm. Now we'd have to go start unpacking all of this stuff. Yeah. Like I just feel like [00:44:00] it's never too late to go to therapy though, too.
But I think
Zoe: that might be what some of those people are thinking. Like, they're like, oh, like I'm 40, I'm 50. It's too late. Yeah. What am I gonna, I have too much to talk about in therapy. You know? Like, no, it's never too late to start therapy. It's never too late to work on yourself.
Heather: Yeah. I think that's like a real big job with the millennials too, is to be like, okay, all of our parents.
Either were in Vietnam or like had parents who were in the war and it's like there's so much trauma and then there's like now the millennials and Gen Zs are like, let's unpack why everyone is so fucked up all the time.
Zoe: Yeah. For our next generation of kids. Like let's not make our next generation so fucked up.
Like Yeah. It'll be interesting to see like the next, yeah. Yeah. Because I'm very interested. Yeah. I hope I
Heather: live long to see it. Did you ever remember when the Jonas Brothers had purity rings?
Zoe: Yeah. Did you ever, I wasn't
Heather: into the Jonas Bros. Did you ever think like, I'm gonna wait until marriage
Zoe: to
Heather: have sex?
Zoe: I mean, I did tell my dad that I was gonna never drink alcohol. [00:45:00] So like maybe I thought I was never gonna have sex, but I don't know. I remember being like young and like listening to these sexualized music lyrics, like Brianna, like Beyonce, like, and to how they talked about grinding on guys in clubs. I was like, fuck, I can't wait to do that.
Heather: Yeah. So I
Zoe: don't think, I don't, I was probably not thinking I was gonna save myself for marriage. And going back to the Omega thing, I definitely showed my pussy on there. You did? Yeah. At what age? Young. Like what?
Heather: I don't know. Like a minor? Yeah. Holy fuck. Yeah. You're so punk. Rock Zoe. I can't put that in.
You're not scared of literally. No, you have said we can't put that in price, so there's gotta be one. It's pretty incredible though. Like I just didn't have the gumption. I was afraid of literally everything I was Do you think that's crazy to put in? No. Okay, fine. I think think a lot of fucking dumb kids.
Zoe: Yeah. I was a dumb kid. I was a dumb horny kid too. That was like,
Heather: oh, this feels [00:46:00] good. But it's actually not even your. Fault because you can be as dumb and horny as you want. You're a kid. Yeah. I shouldn't have had access to that. That's exactly right. It's like, but it's not your
Zoe: responsibility to be like, Ooh.
But also like if I was a kid right now, I would be on porn for sure. I just didn't know what porn was. Oh. Boy, I looked for it though, didn't I?
Heather: Yeah. And that's how I stumbled upon ome. Oh my God. I used to type humping into Google search, like Google images. Yeah. So embarrassing.
Zoe: No, it's so embarrassing.
Heather: But I do think, I don't know, like God, purity culture is so weird, but I was kind of like leaning into it in a way, and I was like, well, if I'm not gonna have sex, I might as well just do this, but.
I don't think I ever
Zoe: thought that I would save myself.
Heather: No. But it is. I just, I do. I was a little whore. I do think it's like interesting to go through watch, watch shiny happy people season two, because it's interesting. It's like all of these people who just like went to college and were taken by like these culty Christians.
Mm. And it's like pure, and we don't do [00:47:00] this, and we don't do anything to our body. And then it's like even now the cult leader is like. Raping everybody. So what the fuck is this? And then you start thinking, well, that's
Zoe: like all cults, right? Like yeah, that's literally all cults. Which is Except for aa.
Except for aa. And AA is not a cult, isn't it?
Heather: Eh.
Zoe: I guess so. A little bit.
Heather: Yeah. But it's like fine. It's like SoulCycle. Exactly. Yeah,
Zoe: exactly.
Heather: I, I don't know. I just like that article that was like, millennials are the drunkest generation in history. And I'm like, okay. Yeah. I do think that there's been a lot of trauma done to the millennials.
Yeah. I do think there's a lot of work that the millennials have to do and they
Zoe: just like won't do it. And I think it is, like, I think that woman said that to me because it, she is scared to look inward. Yeah. And she wants to just blame it on this other thing that doesn't have anything to do with it.
Like health and wellness doesn't. Makes sense to why I'm sober. Like that's doesn't coincide babe. Mm-hmm. Like I told you, I'm sober. Yeah. That doesn't mean I'm into health and wellness. Yeah. I usually just go and maybe [00:48:00] it's just like people need to be more educated of like what sobriety is and like what people can and can't say to sober people.
Yeah. Going into the store I have with the convenience store guy. Yeah. So weird. That pisses me off. It's just the one convenience store. It's always the same man that works there. And I always get a pack of cigarettes and he always asks me if I want a beer or wine for the road. Like a traveler. Yeah. And I always say no, and I wanna go off at him.
Yeah. Like I wanna go back there and say no. Like you can't fucking ask people. Yeah. If they want a traveler just because they're buying cigarettes. Yeah. Just because I smoke doesn't mean I drink alcohol. Yeah. A lot of people who smoke cigarettes are sober. Yeah. You can't ask people that You can't upsell.
Heather: Yeah. Alcohol. Yeah. And, and as addicts, like we are responsible for our own Yes. Addiction. However, however, there's
Zoe: like, you don't need to do
Heather: that. No. There's certain
Zoe: things that people don't need to say. [00:49:00] You don't need to say that. Why are you saying it?
Heather: Yeah.
Zoe: If someone buys candy, are you gonna ask them for a traveler, is it just because I'm buying cigarettes?
Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I guess it's also just like so normal. But like that's another thing. Like it shouldn't you? Yeah. It shouldn't be normalized like no, there. There are a lot of sober people now coming in like, like we said. Yeah. Like it's the new, it is the new thing. And everyone's at a different point in their sobriety too.
If someone asked me that when I, if I was a couple days sober, oh, I would've taken it up the sign. I would've taken it, of course I would've taken it. Fuck that. Can we just be a little bit more like thoughtful of what we say?
Heather: Yeah.
Zoe: To anybody like.
Heather: Yeah. I, I, in any way, I think that's hard because alcohol is so normal and we're the ones that are like, oh, sorry.
Like we're, we'll work around you and your alcohol culture, and it's actually like, wait, your alcohol culture is so fucking detrimental. Yeah. That the guy on the corner is literally asking me as a, as a pass by comment if I wanna drink. Exactly. It's crazy. Like, you just [00:50:00] don't think about that with alcohol.
People struggling with addiction, you just like, don't think about it. Like, do you wanna drink? The amount of times that people are like, oh, you wanna drink? I mean, are you fucking kidding me? The bar, that one bar that literally you can trade in your chips for beer, right? You
Zoe: trade in your, my, the meetings I go to are by the Madison and.
It might just be a rumor, but people have told me that I guess if you give like a ca chip to the Madison or if you go to aa, if you bring any sort of like chip in, they will give you a free picture of
Heather: booze. It's crazy. That one is like very weaponizing. That one I don't, I really hope that's
Zoe: just
Heather: a rumor that
Zoe: people have
Heather: said, yeah, true.
Zoe: But I heard about it before. That's true. If you've heard about it too, then it's probably true. And like, fuck you, the Madison, what? Do what? I know what's the, what's the thinking there? Well see. 'cause that, what is the thinking? You're just a horrible person.
Heather: The thinking there, like I'm assuming they're like, oh, I mean they're obviously clearly assholes, but they're like,
Zoe: well, [00:51:00] they're clearly alcoholics that don't.
Wanna get sober and don't believe in it. And so they're like using that as a
Heather: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like the thinking is like, listen, we are not forcing anyone to drink. They come in here, they bring their chips, they wanna thing true. Like we didn't say, Hey, like we're gonna force this down your throat. Fucking bullshit.
Yeah. It's like. You're like actively putting a system in place to fuck with people. Yeah. And like their vulnerability. It's like, that's the craziest shit I've ever heard. Yeah. Yeah. Ugh. But yeah, I think, I think maybe with like the new generation of like sobriety, there will be more of a understanding of like
Zoe: what, like what's acceptable to say or to like sober people.
Yeah. Like, I don't know. Or like. Don't be shoving alcohol down people's throats. Yeah. You know, and like I was at a event maybe last summer and the bar had sh. Water guns filled with booze. Whoa. And they were spraying it everywhere. Oh my God. You're like, and [00:52:00] I had a drink in my hands, so like, I would have to cover it to like make sure that there was no alcohol being sprayed into my Coca-Cola.
That's so crazy. So it was so hard to stay sober at that bar. Oh my God. Like, why did I put myself into that situation? Even like, I felt safe there, but then I was like, oh, like I never had to physically cover my drink. That's. Really wild. That's just like, yeah, we're all drinking. We're all drinking. I guess like I think within the next 10 years it, it will be the convenience store.
A guy won't be upselling me alcohol just 'cause I buy cigarettes. Yeah.
Heather: Well. 'cause they don't, I don't say, they never say like, oh, well you want a pack of cigarettes, like if you're getting milk or something. They're never like, do you want, well, that's the thing. Yeah. If I was just getting a pack of
Zoe: candy, they're not gonna offer me a pack of cigarettes because cigarettes, and if I'm getting a candy, I'm not getting offered alcohol.
Yeah. Am I? And just because I smoke cigarettes doesn't mean I drink. A lot of sober people smoke cigarettes. Yeah. Only. Yeah. Like me. Yeah. And that's my chance for [00:53:00] addiction. Well, not really because I've always smoked cigarettes. Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do. It's the whole lore of it, and Heather likes it when I smoke cigarettes.
She says, I look cool. You
Heather: do look cool. And
Zoe: I like the way that my house smells after you smoke outside. My boyfriend hates the way that I smell. Oh, everyone hates it. You're the only one that likes it, and I think that's why you're the only one that actually loves me. Well, and that's exactly right. Does he ever say anything about kissing?
Like does kissing bother him? I mean, it's not his favorite thing after I smoke a cigarette and kiss him. Yeah. He's not. He's not thrilled. Yeah. But he still does it. Well then maybe you'll stop. Maybe he'll stop and kiss you. No, maybe you'll stop. Oh, I thought he said maybe he'll stop kissing me. Wow. And kiss you.
Heather: And instead maybe he'll break up with you and Yeah. And then me and will get together and ride off into the sunset. Yeah. No, I'm just kidding. Um, okay. Do you wanna go get a mocktail? Yeah. Are we done with that?
Zoe: I feel good about it. Okay, good. Okay. Okay. Let's get a mocktail at zero bar. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.
Dance with the gaze.
Heather: Dance with the [00:54:00] gaze, the sober gaze. Uhuh, I'm proud of you. Oh, I'm proud of you. Goodbye. Proud of you guys. Proud of you.
Thanks for listening to Girl Undrunk. You can follow us on Instagram and TikTok at Girl Undrunk podcast and or send me an email at heather@girlundrunk.com. I just hit my knee and, oh, I did it again. I haven't,
Zoe: oh, didn't they used to do that? The doctors? Yeah, I have like a memory re reflexes. Yeah. I wonder if that was reported.
I don't have good reflexes then. Oh God, I'm scared. What's wrong with you? Because it's, you now do it.
Heather: I do it to myself and I knocking on your. That's weird. Zoey, maybe you're, you know what it is that you're probably just so prepared. You're like, no, nothing can, nothing can make me twine. [00:55:00] Nothing. A sober girl, nothing can wreck me.
Music: Oh my
Zoe: God.
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